-*- coding: utf-8 -*- Live chat replay is on. Messages that appeared when the stream was live will show up here. Xah Lee ​hi batho Xah Lee ​today start 1 pm 😃 Xah Lee ​what'd be today's topic? Xah Lee ​i just woke up Xah Lee ​you just woke? like from a nap? Xah Lee ​i see Xah Lee ​what do you do? Xah Lee ​yeah. cuz i need to write js apps for my site Xah Lee ​strangely, that's the lang i spend the most time, more than elisp. but nobody are interested Xah Lee ​well, other than typescript, all others are kinda fringe Xah Lee ​security, like what? it means lots things Xah Lee ​yeah, especially with ads, and all the libs. but these days it's fairly contained. Xah Lee ​these days everyone's full stack. lol Xah Lee ​i hardly remember what it means to be backend lol Xah Lee ​fullstack is the word employers want. Xah Lee ​i think fullstack also now means people who dunno nothing. the opposite would be someone who knows something about coding. lol. Xah Lee ​where's nitron? Xah Lee ​i saw same vid game on his youtube Xah Lee ​lol Xah Lee ​forgot name, but the type that's WOW or Starcraft or data etc Xah Lee ​ah, i think so. Xah Lee ​i need to go about start my day and prepare. Xah Lee ​be back in a bit BartholomewJS ​There is a lot of anti-Chinese propaganda going on here in Europe. BartholomewJS ​My favourite propagandized topic is the "anti-democratic" vote for Ping (was that his name?) for life. BartholomewJS ​I think they should take a little bit of that attitude from China and bring it here, because if you say in China that you wanna build something in the next 10 years, then it actually happens. Seamus Slack ​@BartholomewJS In EU, I think that's happening because the Swedes are mad at the Chinese immigrants having money while they gave all their money to government. BartholomewJS ​Whereas living here means, that all politics are restricted to the 4 year interval period of re-election. Nothing gets built or done here that takes longer than 4 years. BartholomewJS ​If I had to choose, I would swap all immigrants for east Asians. BartholomewJS ​If this would happen, we would immediately be the top of the top country in the world. Seamus Slack ​One would like to think that means every thing is forced to take 4 years. When really it means you pull up that last guys work ever for year and pretend to start over. BartholomewJS ​But no, this would be too nice and too good for our people. We actually have to let in the carpet of the world. BartholomewJS ​@Seamus Slack Indeed. BartholomewJS ​I'm waiting for Xah coming along, watrning us to not speak about politics here. Seamus Slack ​@BartholomewJS The worst part that we are all living this pantomime. BartholomewJS ​#NotAll, but definitely too many, yes. Seamus Slack ​I think Xah only get's annoyed at SJW, but I could be wrong. BartholomewJS ​He fears that his channel might face consequences for controversial opinions mentioned on his channel. Seamus Slack ​And we are thinking that china is a bad place to live. Look at our own struggles; they are the same. BartholomewJS ​Well, they have some things better, that are really terrible here. East Asian countries like Japan for example are extremely homogenous. BartholomewJS ​Whereas here... Well.. Lucky if you meet someone of your own. Seamus Slack ​There are places where you can find a high preponderance or {you ethnic group here} us US. Those places just don't advertise. Also not all Europeans are the same.... Seamus Slack ​a common stuffing under the rug by those in a position to. BartholomewJS ​Yes, it is very complicated. Xah Lee ​morn guys Xah Lee ​pick a topic!! BartholomewJS ​JS security BartholomewJS ​😂 BartholomewJS ​Or something with Chinese language on the internet. Seamus Slack ​@Xah Lee elisp regex Seamus Slack ​Hack the Planet!!! BartholomewJS ​Why does it say "Live in 42 Minutes".. Seamus Slack ​@Xah Lee What are we calling security, What you you say it means? BartholomewJS ​Wow. Seamus Slack ​@Xah Lee I appreciate the bashing, but what are we calling secure. How might we measure it? BartholomewJS ​YouTube was bugged and I did not know the stream started. BartholomewJS ​DirectX? Seamus Slack ​@Xah Lee What is value proportion? lp m ​opengl BartholomewJS ​OpenGL? Seamus Slack ​That's not the only reason, bankrupt, to go open source. Seamus Slack ​... no way they know how to make money;and it's earn, you're not a mint. Seamus Slack ​This turned into a political episode. BartholomewJS ​Problem is, that it does not make much sense to compare only at a technical level. A multi-billion company like Microcrap and Google can afford stuff. BartholomewJS ​If a little company creates something, they do not have by far as much money as those giants. So of course it would be crazy to expect the same level of quality and maturity from their product. BartholomewJS ​Your face blocks part of the sentence. BartholomewJS ​Ah now I see it. BartholomewJS ​"An open OS does not only have advantages" BartholomewJS ​That's what it says. Xah Lee ​Why I'm Switching from Mac to Windowshttp://xahlee.info/mswin/switch_to_wi... Logo Visual Illusionhttp://xahlee.info/UnixResource_dir/s... Xah Lee ​On Microsoft Hatred http://xahlee.info/UnixResource_dir/w... Xah Lee ​The Unix Pestilence http://xahlee.info/UnixResource_dir/f... Xah Lee ​UNIX Philosophy, Fast Food the UNIX way http://xahlee.info/UnixResource_dir/_... Seamus Slack ​I don't have patients for history-politics stuff. BartholomewJS ​Are you a doctor? @Seamus Slack 😂 Iris García ​@Xah Lee I wanted to ask you something, I really like the kinesis advantage2 keyboard but it does not ship to My country, which one do you recommend me as similar as posible ? BartholomewJS ​Your site is pretty insecure then... 😁 Iris García ​Wow, that's a lot hehe Iris García ​Yeah I don't like that thumb mechanism too much Iris García ​Spain BartholomewJS ​And e.g. in Tor Browser it is mandatory to turn off JS, because it is "full of holes", as I hear. BartholomewJS ​Depends always on who you ask. Xah Lee ​yeah, especially with ads, and all the libs. but these days it's fairly contained. BartholomewJS ​I don't have a good knowledge about JS, because it is too front-endy for me. BartholomewJS ​I'm generally more back-endy. Xah Lee ​these days everyone's full stack. lol Xah Lee ​i hardly remember what it means to be backend lol BartholomewJS ​Well. Let's say when I code for myself/for fun, I tend to focus on back-end Xah Lee ​fullstack is the word employers want. BartholomewJS ​I prefer writing services for my Raspberry Pis, etc. BartholomewJS ​I thought its DevOps? 😂 Xah Lee ​i think fullstack also now means people who dunno nothing. the opposite would be someone who knows something about coding. lol. BartholomewJS ​😂😂 Xah Lee ​where's nitron? Xah Lee ​i saw same vid game on his youtube BartholomewJS ​Yesterday, in the beginning in the stream you explained something and you were right. I don't remember what exactly it was, but you were right. Xah Lee ​lol BartholomewJS ​What video game? BartholomewJS ​I'm asking Zitron where she is. Xah Lee ​forgot name, but the type that's WOW or Starcraft or data etc BartholomewJS ​League of Legends? BartholomewJS ​She used to play it a lot. Xah Lee ​ah, i think so. BartholomewJS ​Oh, since yesterday you did not have time: Xah Lee ​i need to go about start my day and prepare. BartholomewJS ​There is an SJW version of GIMP called Glimpse. No joke. 😂 Xah Lee ​be back in a bit BartholomewJS ​Ah, okay. BartholomewJS ​See you in a bit. Seamus Slack ​Howdy Seamus Slack ​@BartholomewJS only you can say no to Swedes BartholomewJS ​@Seamus Slack I always say yes to Swedes. BartholomewJS ​They are one of my top favourite people in Europe. Seamus Slack ​@BartholomewJS No I'd go with of Europeans either Hungary or Romania. BartholomewJS ​@Seamus Slack Romania has too much corruption and doesn't have a lot to offer, does it. BartholomewJS ​Otherwise, I do not know a lot of Hunagarians, though. BartholomewJS ​But pretty much all Swedes I met, are very nice and respectable. Seamus Slack ​@BartholomewJS Hay ever Turkey, but there not exactly European; Caucasian rather. We probably are judging them on different things. ZitronCrazy ​Hey Seamus Slack ​@BartholomewJS All the swedes I've met love milimetre justice and social constructionisum. BartholomewJS ​I wasn't constant about the way I judge. My main criteria was the people in social situations, where you have to interact with them socially. BartholomewJS ​@Seamus Slack Most Swedes I met, complain about exactly that. 😂 BartholomewJS ​There is one Swede that applied to your description, but his friend even complained about him and said that Swedes become p ss i es more and more. Seamus Slack ​@BartholomewJS the people complain, their not swedes any more; that's just x-paths. But I take your point BartholomewJS ​And I definitely agree more with Hungary's strategy as a country than with Sweden as a country. BartholomewJS ​Especially some things in Sweden, they changed out of "kindness" are terrible. BartholomewJS ​I don't remember the exact changes, but it was a nightmare for normal thinking people. Seamus Slack ​@BartholomewJS Living is Sweden is like living in Orwell's 1984. That's why I say no to those people; just like forest fires. BartholomewJS ​@Seamus Slack Compared to what? I think London is worse, where every centimeter is plastered with at least 1 camera. BartholomewJS ​I don't remember, if they also have face detection. BartholomewJS ​Speaking of that, look at China. BartholomewJS ​Face detection galore. Seamus Slack ​I have a soft spot for China. Everything I haven ever owed has had a little golden sticker on it that says maid in china. BartholomewJS ​Unfortunately, I never was in Sweden before and I certainly won't trust Media's opinion on anything, so I can't really create my own opinion BartholomewJS ​There is a lot of anti-Chinese propaganda going on here in Europe. BartholomewJS ​My favourite propagandized topic is the "anti-democratic" vote for Ping (was that his name?) for life. BartholomewJS ​I think they should take a little bit of that attitude from China and bring it here, because if you say in China that you wanna build something in the next 10 years, then it actually happens. Seamus Slack ​@BartholomewJS In EU, I think that's happening because the Swedes are mad at the Chinese immigrants having money while they gave all their money to government. BartholomewJS ​Whereas living here means, that all politics are restricted to the 4 year interval period of re-election. Nothing gets built or done here that takes longer than 4 years. BartholomewJS ​If I had to choose, I would swap all immigrants for east Asians. BartholomewJS ​If this would happen, we would immediately be the top of the top country in the world. Seamus Slack ​One would like to think that means every thing is forced to take 4 years. When really it means you pull up that last guys work ever for year and pretend to start over. BartholomewJS ​But no, this would be too nice and too good for our people. We actually have to let in the carpet of the world. BartholomewJS ​@Seamus Slack Indeed. BartholomewJS ​I'm waiting for Xah coming along, watrning us to not speak about politics here. Seamus Slack ​@BartholomewJS The worst part that we are all living this pantomime. BartholomewJS ​#NotAll, but definitely too many, yes. Seamus Slack ​I think Xah only get's annoyed at SJW, but I could be wrong. BartholomewJS ​He fears that his channel might face consequences for controversial opinions mentioned on his channel. Seamus Slack ​And we are thinking that china is a bad place to live. Look at our own struggles; they are the same. BartholomewJS ​Well, they have some things better, that are really terrible here. East Asian countries like Japan for example are extremely homogenous. BartholomewJS ​Whereas here... Well.. Lucky if you meet someone of your own. Seamus Slack ​There are places where you can find a high preponderance or {you ethnic group here} us US. Those places just don't advertise. Also not all Europeans are the same.... Seamus Slack ​a common stuffing under the rug by those in a position to. BartholomewJS ​Yes, it is very complicated. Welcome to live chat! Remember to guard your privacy and abide by our community guidelines. Xah Lee ​morn guys Xah Lee ​pick a topic!! BartholomewJS ​JS security BartholomewJS ​😂 BartholomewJS ​Or something with Chinese language on the internet. Seamus Slack ​@Xah Lee elisp regex Seamus Slack ​Hack the Planet!!! BartholomewJS ​Why does it say "Live in 42 Minutes".. Seamus Slack ​@Xah Lee What are we calling security, What you you say it means? BartholomewJS ​Wow. Seamus Slack ​@Xah Lee I appreciate the bashing, but what are we calling secure. How might we measure it? BartholomewJS ​YouTube was bugged and I did not know the stream started. BartholomewJS ​DirectX? Seamus Slack ​@Xah Lee What is value proportion? lp m ​opengl BartholomewJS ​OpenGL? Seamus Slack ​That's not the only reason, bankrupt, to go open source. Seamus Slack ​... no way they know how to make money;and it's earn, you're not a mint. Seamus Slack ​This turned into a political episode. BartholomewJS ​Problem is, that it does not make much sense to compare only at a technical level. A multi-billion company like Microcrap and Google can afford stuff. BartholomewJS ​If a little company creates something, they do not have by far as much money as those giants. So of course it would be crazy to expect the same level of quality and maturity from their product. BartholomewJS ​Your face blocks part of the sentence. BartholomewJS ​Ah now I see it. BartholomewJS ​"An open OS does not only have advantages" BartholomewJS ​That's what it says. Xah Lee ​Why I'm Switching from Mac to Windowshttp://xahlee.info/mswin/switch_to_wi... Logo Visual Illusionhttp://xahlee.info/UnixResource_dir/s... Xah Lee ​On Microsoft Hatred http://xahlee.info/UnixResource_dir/w... Xah Lee ​The Unix Pestilence http://xahlee.info/UnixResource_dir/f... Xah Lee ​UNIX Philosophy, Fast Food the UNIX way http://xahlee.info/UnixResource_dir/_... Seamus Slack ​I don't have patients for history-politics stuff. BartholomewJS ​Are you a doctor? @Seamus Slack 😂 Xah Lee Say something... 0/200 Xah Lee ​Why I'm Switching from Mac to Windowshttp://xahlee.info/mswin/switch_to_wi... Logo Visual Illusionhttp://xahlee.info/UnixResource_dir/s... Xah Lee ​On Microsoft Hatred http://xahlee.info/UnixResource_dir/w... Xah Lee ​The Unix Pestilence http://xahlee.info/UnixResource_dir/f... Xah Lee ​UNIX Philosophy, Fast Food the UNIX way http://xahlee.info/UnixResource_dir/_... BartholomewJS ​... BartholomewJS ​Or worse, some Indian guy copying some other guy who copied some post on some website. Dion Bridger ​Indian youtube tutorials are saving the Western education system BartholomewJS ​😂 Dion Bridger ​people running those accounts need to be sent to Siberia Dion Bridger ​jesus christ BartholomewJS ​assert Xah == Emacs Dion Bridger ​"what can you do" Dion Bridger ​something will be done about it Dion Bridger ​be patient BartholomewJS ​You do you. Dion Bridger ​the undeviating pattern of history is a cycle of abuse of power Dion Bridger ​which creates the conditions for the appearance of a Robbespiere or a Lenin Dion Bridger ​just wait and watch the dialectical forces of history machinate Dion Bridger ​Hong Kong is the spearhead of international finance into China. BartholomewJS ​I heard a different story about this, as well. Dion Bridger ​I consider the Chinese State to be defending itself from being vassalized; despite the fact that there are many things about the Single Party system to criticize. Dion Bridger ​glad I caught the stream @Xah Lee Dion Bridger ​@xahlee Dion Bridger ​however that works Dion Bridger ​Democracy is just a state of confusion about who really is in power. Dion Bridger ​That state of confusion has an inherent limited lifespan. BartholomewJS ​Today propaganda is extremely strong and powerful. Some will never understand. Dion Bridger ​BTW I don't fault China for being a single party state. When I say "there are things to criticize"; I mean things like the corruption problems ( which a multi-party system will not repair ); Dion Bridger ​I like Taoism Dion Bridger ​Tao-te-ching is amazing. BartholomewJS ​Indeed, amazing. @Dion Bridger Dion Bridger ​The Way that can be spoken of is not the Constant The name that can be named is not a Constant Name. Nameless, is the origin of Heaven and Earth; The named is the Mother of all things. Dion Bridger ​^ sends chills down my spine when I read it BartholomewJS ​Hey! I don't watch TV, at all. @Xah Lee Daniel Langlois ​Hi! BartholomewJS ​Goodbye... Iris García ​Goodbye! Daniel Langlois ​Bye! ZitronCrazy ​bye Xah Dion Bridger ​Bye Xah! BartholomewJS ​@Dion Bridger You here tomorrow? Dion Bridger ​We'll see infomatec ​bye bye Dion Bridger ​if not tomorrow then Sunday or Monday Iris García ​Hahaha Dion Bridger ​Making me hungry! BartholomewJS ​@Dion Bridger Okay, good to know. Nice conversing with you, as usual. This message is held for review. Dion Bridger ​Likewise. I like your shit-lord persona ;) Iris García ​@Xah Lee Do a serie of videos teaching emacs lisp from level 0 and you will see how popular it gets Dion Bridger ​^ THIS