-*- coding: utf-8 -*- BartholomewJS ​Greetings, everyone. BartholomewJS ​#9, since last time we had more random chat than this topic. MIchal Pirogf Official ​yeah 9 would be great, as a lot of random chatting becomes very predictable cause idiots are idiots haha ZitronCrazy ​Hey Xah Volodymyr Vitvitskyi ​good morning firehandszarb ​morning xah Welcome to live chat! Remember to guard your privacy and abide by our community guidelines. Bartosz Białas ​Hi @Xah Lee ZitronCrazy ​@Xah Lee I dont know so much.. but I want learn MIchal Pirogf Official ​great explanations, btw, i was at the grave of stefan banach two years ago, another great mathematician iam too dumb to understand Jack.L ​Good job. Lee MIchal Pirogf Official ​in lviv passageguide ​What are some good opportunities for entrepreneurs these days ? Volod Vitvitskyi ​Interesting that Xah uses raw HTML for documenting instead of org-mode. Why is that preference and not org-mode that HTML can be generated from? Volod Vitvitskyi ​Question to Xah :) passageguide ​You are the best to ask, very smart and a technologist at heart, I’d love to hear- thank you passageguide ​Forget the word, just the concept, start a good business passageguide ​Lool BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee Entrepeneur is just a euphemism for someone taking your money out of your pocket, but it being legal. passageguide ​Nope. Thankfully passageguide ​I’m in England actually BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee Did you hear about the car production scandal in Germany? The bosses who betrayed all customers for a decade do you know what they got? BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee They got boni inform of millions of Euros for betraying basically everyone but themselves. BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee As long as this is legal, an "entrepeneur" is nothing but a fraud to me. MIchal Pirogf Official ​@passageguide short a lot of big tech companies at $500K as some of them will collapse big time Bartosz Białas ​2001 space odyssey MIchal Pirogf Official ​and then you should have $5M and should make some basic idea profitable through advertisment and marketing Xah Lee ​Technology, Past and Future http://xahlee.info/comp/technological... passageguide ​Lol, k thanks Volod Vitvitskyi ​Xah, have you tried to manage your knowledge base using org-mode not raw-html ? We can generate HTML from it right? BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee Not corruption it was legal. They got boni from their company shares, etc. BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee Why do you get boni for betraying hundreds of thousands customers? BartholomewJS ​bonus, sing. ; boni, plural MIchal Pirogf Official ​@BartholomewJS cause you save the money for the company BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee Show me an entrepeneur that is not evil. Don't say Elon Musk or I'm gonna punch the wall. 🤒 This message is held for review. MIchal Pirogf Official ​i mean unix is still popular and anyone who considers unix philosophy great is kind of a fuckhead BartholomewJS ​@MIchal Pirogf Official In the end, after the scandal became public, they lost A LOT of money and reputation. BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee Elon Musk is a rich boi who randomly starts businesses and by almost pure chance some of them are successful. This message is held for review. firehandszarb ​elon musk master of bullshit BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee Do you know hyperloop? It's the biggest scam of the current 3 decades. passageguide ​You never finished your train of thought from the site you pulled up lol BartholomewJS ​@passageguide His train of thought drives on 100 tracks at the same time, parallely. Volod Vitvitskyi ​@Xah Lee please cover some usage of org-mode, please 😃 MIchal Pirogf Official ​@passageguide donate him $500 and then ask him to discuss something in a way you prefer Bartosz Białas ​Will we talk about idioms today? BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee Any high school student with basic physics knowledge can calculate you that you literally have to be insane to allow something like the Hyperloop to be built. BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee It is too dangerous and too expensive. Volod Vitvitskyi ​Thanks Volod Vitvitskyi ​Found it useful to document the process, same as you do, but with the possibility to execute the code. Volod Vitvitskyi ​Literate programing, kind of. MIchal Pirogf Official ​@BartholomewJS watch polish movie 'Teddy Bear' (1980) to understand hyperloop and other stuff like that BartholomewJS ​@MIchal Pirogf Official Did you know that the first Hyperloop is about 100 years old? MIchal Pirogf Official ​its great investement and makes a huge amount of money as it requires a lot of money MIchal Pirogf Official ​and you cannot really price it MIchal Pirogf Official ​@Xah Lee i use markdown for smaller notes and for more serious writing just groff (i use acme text editor, so no plugin with fancy formats and tricks) meocats ​how fast do you type on typeracer? Volod Vitvitskyi ​it is impressive how much you got in xah-html BartholomewJS ​@MIchal Pirogf Official Some time ago I wanted to write a manual in groff. Anything to comment on that? This message is held for review. MIchal Pirogf Official ​@BartholomewJS for manpages you use quite annoying macro set, but mainly focus on macro and single line commands and then comment, sadly also consult info pages MIchal Pirogf Official ​GNU info pages. passageguide ​How may I know your rates to hire you to work together on a project, if you still do that kind of thing? passageguide ​And thanks for the answer you did give 😃 BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee You're good at math. Calculate the physics of a 5 miles long tube that is vacuumed. Realise it would be insanity to build this. Agree that this is a scam. BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee Anyone with basic physics knows it. BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee Watch Thunderf00t. BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee He is a professional chemist and he knows physics, too. BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee Elon Musk never built a bridge either. So he apparently is as stupid as all these YouTubers. passageguide ​What’s your patron please. BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee I don't personally think that he is "evil" in the classic sense. He is a hype-lord and squeezes out every bit of profit out of this fact. This message is held for review. MIchal Pirogf Official ​@BartholomewJS do not trust thunderf00t, guy is a total midwit and bullshit atheist who does not understnad basic logical and deduction MIchal Pirogf Official ​he just believes atheist scientific status quo is true MIchal Pirogf Official ​if he was put in 1300s he would believe that earth is static Dion Bridger ​Hi all Dion Bridger ​talking about why startups suck? :P Dion Bridger ​Yes I hate MicroSoft because they tried to destroy Linux MIchal Pirogf Official ​i mean i hugely respect xah for actually thinking very logically and analysing things, even if his opinions are far from status quo and making a lot of people angry BartholomewJS ​@Dion Bridger Capitalism is basically ultimate pure egocentrism in form of a financial system. That's how those companies and people are created. This message is held for review. MIchal Pirogf Official ​i just aspire to be like him in terms of not being a complete dogmatic dumbass with my opinions and views on many things Dion Bridger ​It depends on what your definition of Capitalism is...there are shades of grey between bog standard state capitalism, Scandinavian "capitalism with a human face"... Dion Bridger ​ancap theories of market-based law systems, etc. Dion Bridger ​I'm not sure getting rid of Capitalism will do much to reduce the general level of egocentrism - maybe it's a necessary condition but I'm not sure it's a sufficient one. BartholomewJS ​@Dion Bridger Everything has shades of grey. Does not make the thing itself any better, if it is so full of shhh. BartholomewJS ​@Dion Bridger Definitely not sufficient, sadly. Dion Bridger ​Xah have you ever done anything with yasnippet? Dion Bridger ​It seems that without the market-based logic of exploiting the self-interest of people to coordinate their behaviour towards productive activity you're left only with the option of direct coercive Dion Bridger ​control. Base ​Hi Xah Dion Bridger ​LOL thunderf00t BartholomewJS ​@Dion Bridger I don't consider doing brainless and non-fulfilling jobs "productive". Dion Bridger ​thunderf00t has the most amazingly dumb opinions about hyperloop Dion Bridger ​and he just refuses to quit BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee He did an entire series of videos on debunking Hyperloop to shreds. Xah Lee ​https://www.patreon.com/xahlee Dion Bridger ​Man are you serious---those Hyperloops are a layer cake of fallacious reasoning Dion Bridger ​Hyperloop videos* Dion Bridger ​Before Liokardo ​Ballmer. Dion Bridger ​MicroSoft's strategy towards Linux is not benign, even now Dion Bridger ​"embrace, extend, extinguish" they call it Dion Bridger ​they're giving Linux the hug of death Bartosz Białas ​@Xah Lee I've been using Linux for years as main main OS. I must say that the number of things working out of the box / compatibility / drivers things are really getting better with time. Dion Bridger ​I think the problem with Linux UIs is that they are not opinionated ENOUGH Dion Bridger ​they try too hard to copy whatever the in-trend is. Dion Bridger ​So KDE used to be a copy of MS interface, Unity is a tablet UI, etc. Bartosz Białas ​@Xah Lee many window managers are great. Look at tiling managers. And many distros like e.g. Mint are great to install on your relatives' computers. They're pretty intuitive BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee What about the hundreds of hours I tried to fix Microshhh? Dion Bridger ​^ this This message is held for review. Dion Bridger ​Everytime I start feeling Linux sucks I log onto my Windows for a bit and re-learn gratitude :P Dion Bridger ​"company I can trust" -- well you're SOL there Dion Bridger ​Companies are made of people, people cannot be trusted. Can't trust anything except maybe for a crypto algorithm :P BartholomewJS ​@Dion Bridger Precisely. Liokardo ​Manjaro became a company. Dion Bridger ​I'm not even sure I trust most crypto algs at that. Dion Bridger ​Ofcourse you need encryption, without it internet activity would be sent in the clear. Dion Bridger ​And buttcoins need it :P Dion Bridger ​None of us like you less because of your angry opinions Xah. It's nice to see someone act honestly. Dion Bridger ​Linus "words can hurt" Torvalds 😀 :D Carlos Jimenez ​hello!! Dion Bridger ​Linux has problems like being able to walk out into the street has problems. The way that Mac/Windows keep you from having problems is by taking away your control. BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee Give Linux the amount of money Apple gets and don't give any money to Apple. One year later, tell me what will be easier to use, Linux or Mac. Liokardo ​I imagine a meme of you swearing Dion Bridger ​Linux already gets tons of money pumped into it; especially if you consider the man-hours of professional programmer time spent on it. Dion Bridger ​You have to take the strength of it with the weaknesses, because they are both a result of its open nature. BartholomewJS ​@Dion Bridger That would be true, if there was only 1 Linux distribution. Dion Bridger ​That is true. Dion Bridger ​But I think there won't exist such a thing as a "distribution" in the future. passageguide ​perhaps with the rise of things like webassembly all we will need is basic hardware and the future of operating systems will be browser based, similar to chrome os Dion Bridger ​software will be automatically stitched together from a pool of code snippets using some kind of query language that just describes what you want the software to be able to do Dion Bridger ​a distribution will just be a list of queries some guy put together :p BartholomewJS ​@passageguide If this will be the mainstream future, I will give up my life and go to the woods to live with a real computer and not some spy potato that watches how I f my wife. passageguide ​@Xah Lee you never answered the question passageguide ​lol passageguide ​@BartholomewJS - Good to know what you'd do, but would be good to know why you think that's a bad thing 😃 Bartosz Białas ​@Xah Lee you say that Lisp macros are useless when you have pattern matching, but there are cases where having access to all the language facilities allows you to express things otherwise impossible Dion Bridger ​passageguide the trend towards browser-based computing is part of a general movement among software developers to _take your computer away from you_ Bartosz Białas ​@Xah Lee As in Lisp macros are harder to use but you can do more with them than just with Mathematica's pattern matching Dion Bridger ​by giving you something to interface with that _is not a computer_ but some layer of software that gives _them_ the control Liokardo ​sweet juice Liokardo ​is that energy drink also sugar free? BartholomewJS ​@Dion Bridger 👍 Liokardo ​@Xah Lee What do you have to say about Plan 9? Dion Bridger ​plan 9 is dead man Liokardo ​hmmmm, their ideas passageguide ​@Xah Lee - I will be in touch, it's a good idea thank you Andri Gunawan ​@Xah Lee Why not make a video about "p5.sound.js getOctaveBands and logAverages"? Andri Gunawan ​p5.js BartholomewJS ​@Andri Gunawan Seriously? Liokardo ​well lol BartholomewJS ​@Andri Gunawan What is wrong with you boi Andri Gunawan ​There's no videos about getOctaveBands Dion Bridger ​m8 what are you talking about BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee In the time @Andri Gunawan asked you, hehe could've done the video himself 100 times, already. Dion Bridger ​Maybe you should do a video about pattern matching! Liokardo ​@Xah Lee What would you be interested in if computers didn't exist yet? Andri Gunawan ​@BartholomewJS Try searching "p5js getoctavebands" on youtube Bartosz Białas ​@Xah Lee Thanks. Good stream BartholomewJS ​@Liokardo Math, as he is already. Liokardo ​ok Dion Bridger ​I'll definitely watch it, thanks Xah Andri Gunawan ​@BartholomewJS Why not make a video "p5.sound.js getOctaveBands"? Dion Bridger ​it's an interesting claim that pattern matching is more powerful because I've found a macro in lisp called...drumroll..."pmatch", which does pattern matching for sexprs BartholomewJS ​@Andri Gunawan Why not make a video "p5.sound.js getOctaveBands"? BartholomewJS ​@Andri Gunawan Why not make a video "p5.sound.js getOctaveBands"? Kathy H ​thanks, love random talks 😛 BartholomewJS ​@Andri Gunawan Why not make a video "p5.sound.js getOctaveBands"? BartholomewJS ​@Andri Gunawan Why not make a video "p5.sound.js getOctaveBands"? Liokardo ​@Xah Lee luv u BartholomewJS ​@Andri Gunawan Why not make a video "p5.sound.js getOctaveBands"? BartholomewJS ​@Andri Gunawan Why not make a video "p5.sound.js getOctaveBands"? BartholomewJS ​@Andri Gunawan Why not make a video "p5.sound.js getOctaveBands"? BartholomewJS ​@Andri Gunawan Why not make a video "p5.sound.js getOctaveBands"? BartholomewJS ​@Andri Gunawan Why not make a video "p5.sound.js getOctaveBands"? Dion Bridger ​THanks Xah! ZitronCrazy ​Bye Xah Bartosz Białas ​[message retracted] Bartosz Białas ​bye BartholomewJS ​Goodbye Xah Lee Say something... 0/200