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BartholomewJS
​Greetings, everyone.

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee I tried to set up Mathematica for Zitron but we saw only extremely expensive paid options to use Mathematica.
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Derek A
​Hello Xah, Bartholomew

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee There is no free version? How do you pay for it?

BartholomewJS
​@Derek A Greetings!

BartholomewJS
​I have at least 6 Raspberry Pis.

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee Is it with every Raspberry Pi or only in special bundles?

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee So I have 6 times Mathematica?

Xah Lee
​Wolfram Language, Mathematica http://xahlee.info/M/index.html

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee Is it hardware bound? Do I need to use the Raspberry Pi to use Mathematica?

skeletor tha god
​Can I hire you to build a robot to destroy the world

Jos
​Is Mathematica on the memory card you buy with rpi or can you just download it for free without buying anything?

Jos
​aha

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee Man, you really got to be a proprietary shill to not find this super annoying. 😂

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee Respond to the Wolfram guy.

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee Why do you have such a big garbage truck?

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee Python is open source and it is one of the most popular langiuages of the world. More popular than Mathematica. 1:0 for open source. 😁

Γεώργιος喬治
​The wolfram guy seems a bit culty though...

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee So instead of loading a library for opening a file you have all the bloat of opening a file in every program, even if you would never open a file?

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee C is even older and it is sh**.

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee Age != Quality

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee There are a couple of open source phones already.

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee If I had to use an iPhone, someone had to pay me so I do that.

Virtruvi Enki
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BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee That garbage truck question was just a joke, but nice to see your explanation of garbage trucks. 😂

Γεώργιος喬治
​Taiwanese garbage trucks are my favourite

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BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee My piss is also free and nobody uses it. There are also a million free apps on Google Play that nobody uses, ever.

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee What if you are pro Free Software but society absolutely forces you to use proprietary lower lifeform products? Are you still a hyppocrite then?

Γεώργιος喬治
​I still don't know what Mathematica can do that Microsoft excel can't, and excel is faster

BartholomewJS
​@Γεώργιος喬治 I assume it is easier and better?

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee So if people would pay 1000$ for an open source phone, would it be the best then?

Γεώργιος喬治
​There is actually some amazing tech behind excel, easily one of the most advanced pieces of software in the world

meocats
​M scrapes excel in the jazz

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee I use a proprietary Android phone. I'm generally not big on phones. Ironically, I have this phone, because it was free for me. If I had to pay, I would possess an open source one.

meocats
​M has built-in functions for quantum mechanics, and i am not talking about simple statistics funs

meocats
​funcs*

meocats
​i think M can de BLAST searches even

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Kathy H
​“matter my ass” LOL

meocats
​it serves as a general computing platform in the hard sciences

meocats
​while excel is merely extended by some statistical functions

meocats
​i think you should read theri wikipedia pages before asking these kind of questions

meocats
​to say excel is one of the most advanced pieces of sofware , is a joke, considering all areas of computing

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee To make it clearer: I only use a proprietary phone because it was FREE (as in costfree). So apparently proprietary sh** can be best for those cheapstakes you always call open source fanatics.

meocats
​excel cannot do CAD, can't do FEA

meocats
​it is not designed for that

BartholomewJS
​cheapskates

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BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee 1 Week ago: My roommate gave a shirt. Great roommate. @Xah Lee Today: F****** roommates!

meocats
​can excel do fluid simulations?

meocats
​solidworks can. Actually M can too

meocats
​catia can, autocad can

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee Do you mean literally nobody figuratively nobody? I know an actual open source phone costing at least 1000 dollars, which people buy.

meocats
​actually, mathematica can also finite element analysis

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee You can't be serious. A 10 year old child did not made society how it is.

meocats
​even Rhinoceros3d, which is a non-uniform rational B-Spline CAD piece, under 1 gigabite, can do finite element analysis

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee I agree with you about people forming society, but not everyone is at fault.

meocats
​on top of most CAD software that can do FEA, mathematica can solve these equations simbolically and permits simbolic manipulation of these equations

meocats
​this is what distinguishes from a simple solver, yet provides greater coverage of the hard sciences than excel

meocats
​you must be severely misinformed to even put the question in such a context

meocats
​yet, in this context, M offers more than excel as i have demonstrated

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee Those who don't care about security and privacy but about convenience will be the first to die.

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee Bitcoin = sh**coin.

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee Okay, let's say person X understand how society works. Should person X try to change it to the better or just go with the flow, as you seem to propose?

dingo dingeroo
​@Xah Lee What do you think the downsides ( if any ) will be of the massively expanding AI / machine learning trend?

Oleg Marakhovsky
​It looks like baader meinhof phenomenon. most people dont involved in programming, software, hardware production etc.

Oleg Marakhovsky
​But once you are involved in making digital stuff you know how much power it gives and how much evil things you can do if you have a lot of data

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee Did you hear about the Snowden interview where there was an unkown third account in the "private" conference?

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee Old people don't need to care. But if you give your data to Google as a 10-year old and 60 years later Google or the governemnt still remembers, is that just fine?

Virtruvi Enki
​hey

Virtruvi Enki
​whats in the emacs on the bg?

Virtruvi Enki
​also whats ur preferred wm

BartholomewJS
​Germany is under US control.

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee A lot of anti-Russian and anti-Chinese propaganda is trickling into Germany. On the other side, we also hear a lot of pro-American stuff here.

dingo dingeroo
​From my perspective individual's rights like privacy stem from the belief that we're created in the image of a just God.

BartholomewJS
​@dingo dingeroo Definitely just to order your children to eradicate an entire people for no reasonl.

dingo dingeroo
​@BartholomewJS Not sure what you're referencing.

BartholomewJS
​@dingo dingeroo 1 Samuel 15:3

dingo dingeroo
​@BartholomewJS Not sure where you got the "no reason" thing. Just war theory is different from genocide for no reason.

BartholomewJS
​@dingo dingeroo So you find genocide just? That shows a lot about your belief.

dingo dingeroo
​@BartholomewJS If God was real and 100% just would all his commands be just?

BartholomewJS
​@dingo dingeroo If you looked up the verse you read how the command is *specifically* talking about pure genocide. Is there any case on earth where this action is justified? Yes or no?

BartholomewJS
​@dingo dingeroo You are turning around cause and consequence. You can only be just because of your actions. You can't be just and then do actions, which you assume to be just.

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee Respecting the law does not make you ethical, by far.

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BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee Even if an angel would breach my privacy, I still find it unjust. My stuff is my stuff. Big f***ing period.

Jos
​@XahLee How can Google be ethical , if they collecting all our data and don't do anything with it? why collect then in the first place.

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee If you count privacy as a "human right" as you already talked about, then you don't need a specific point in your specific situation.

dingo dingeroo
​@BartholomewJS Perhaps you don't understand the concept of the Christian God. God /is/ justice, and love, and so on. God is the purest form, and creator of, all good.

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee I just think it should be your decision only, what others know and what they don't know about you.

BartholomewJS
​@dingo dingeroo I study the Christian God for more than 10 years and the more I know the worse he appears.

BartholomewJS
​@Jos Good point.

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee It's different with science. I am exclusively talking about companies. Commercial reasons are no real reasons.

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee I am pro animal testing, etc.. Science rules.

dingo dingeroo
​@BartholomewJS Then you should understand that if you betray the purest form of good then you are doing something evil, which is what we call sin. And God had punishment for rejection of good.

BartholomewJS
​@dingo dingeroo You are purposefully avoiding the point. As every other dishonest Christian I ever met. Just address the question. Don't tell me paradox and totally senseless stuff about "just"

BartholomewJS
​that does "evil" nonetheless.

BartholomewJS
​@dingo dingeroo Simple: If god is infinitely good, he would never commit a genocide, murder or any harm to anyone. *cough* hell *cough*

Kathy H
​the reason we got out of Malthusian trap is not only technology but also the division of labor, aka corporation. Being a solo geek who doesn't share privacy is fine. but won't last

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee Tomorrow same time?

Kathy H
​*aka collaboration

Jos
​@XahLee Have you noticed that the camera window , covers the chat window. This makes it difficult to see the new chat lines coming in. Maybe you can rearrange the windows? Could be good.

dingo dingeroo
​@BartholomewJS I said god is the purest form of good. NOT people.

BartholomewJS
​@dingo dingeroo Then he would've made purely good people as they are supposedly in his image. 😂

Jos
​Netherlands

BartholomewJS
​@BartholomewJS BOOM BOOM BOOM

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BartholomewJS
​Fuck I addressed myself

BartholomewJS
​Im a genius

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee BOOM BOOM BOOM

dingo dingeroo
​@BartholomewJS If he is love he has to make a soul with choice, as you can't love something without choosing good for it's sake. A program that prints "I love you" doesn't love you.

Kathy H
​thanks !

BartholomewJS
​@dingo dingeroo Just answer my question: Is there any situation on earth EVER where genocide is justified? Yes or no.

Jos
​bye

BartholomewJS
​Thank you, nice scream, @Xah Lee .

dingo dingeroo
​@BartholomewJS yes

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