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BartholomewJS
​Greetings, everyone.

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee I noticed you have an article about Unix Pipes as Functional Programming. If you like this idea of pipes used in this way, you would jizz into your pants when using NuShell.

Xah Lee
​lul, what?

Xah Lee
​elaborate and maybe we talk about that in vid
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BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee I am a second hand source, maybe you should visit the first hand source on Github.

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee Though, the summarized, the command structure is entirely based on pipes.

dipi
​nushell is written in Rust, interesting… hello btw

BartholomewJS
​@dipi That is one of the best things about it.

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee NuShell is one of the few *truly* modern applications.

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee Look in the description of the repository. They describe how the shell natively parses JSON, etc.

dipi
​It just doesn’t look or feel like a shell, more like a table-based SQL CLI.

nybo
​yo bros

BartholomewJS
​@dipi I will definitely use NuShell as my main shell when it is mature enough i. e. supports aliases, etc.

nybo
​feking buffers, drove me insane

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee There are many crappy apps but NuShell is one of the exceptions.

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee always finding nutshell when searching NuShell.

nybo
​finally found your functions thank god

dipi
​it might be a matter of personal preference, as it so often is…

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee RUST RUST RUST RUST RUST RUST *chant*

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee it only needs 10 commits more and the repository has 1337 commits. This is proof of how good this app is.

dipi
​I like Go’s go-routines and channels, but I also like Rust’s concept of data ownership and borrowing… what to do? LEARN ALL THE LANGUAGES 😀

nybo
​@Xah Lee but the functions are spamming my init file, is there a way to include external funcitons?

dipi
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GrinDeg
​Hi Xah and chat 😃

dipi
​hello

BartholomewJS
​Gritings, @GreenDeg.

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee Then stop talking about UNIX and start talking about NuShell, specifically.

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee UNIX != NuShell

GrinDeg
​@BartholomewJS NuShell is the one which does everything as a table?

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee NuShell is designed to work on all major OS greatly, the same way with the same interface.

BartholomewJS
​@GrinDeg I guess you could call it like that.

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dipi
​If you administer Unix servers, you need to assess system health quickly. Average load does exactly this.

GrinDeg
​i think i saw a video about it

meocats
​so much time wasted entertaining geek questions

meocats
​might as well just talk about pure math

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee I hope it cheers you up that NuShell has no compatibility with BASH/zsh/fiche, etc..

dipi
​I like htop’s TUI (Text-based User Interface)

BartholomewJS
​@dipi I mainly use htop, it is convenient and all I need.

dipi
​I agree; similar with vi vs vim

meocats
​geeks reinventing the shell without a formal design spec is just a waste of time. Zero progress for mankind

dipi
​text tools are more convenient if you’re remotely adminstering servers

BartholomewJS
​@dipi That is what I'm doing 90% of my time. :D

meocats
​i just use tmux-mem-cpu-load to get the bars and actually rarely use top so i never keep htop around anymore

meocats
​you can list all processes with top

dipi
​<-- using KDE on SuSE since 2002, using htop (and KSysGuard on occasion)

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee That's why GNOME is known to be super fat.

meocats
​mupdf is really nice pdf viewer

dipi
​I’m glad there are choices: Gnome vs KDE, vim vs emacs, Linux vs macOS, Atari vs Amiga; butter vs margarine; etc

meocats
​the huge variety of choices is a testament to the deviation from perfection that permeates this community

dipi
​(note that I won’t list Windows as a choice)

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee Linux is a soup of choices. :D

dipi
​so let’s go swimming

Oleg Marakhovsky
​nah, each programming tool has CLI nowadays

Xah Lee
​Xah Math Blog http://xahlee.info/math/blog.html

meocats
​its broken up into short chapters like wikipedia, its worth reading occasionally. Like poetry

meocats
​its not an undergrad math book, it is a history book

meocats
​modern undergrad math is lightyears ahead of what pythagoras' approach was to solve his problems

nybo
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nybo
​: 0

meocats
​unlike a math textbook, it describes the social impact of the discoveries

dipi
​@Xah Lee how useful is the Help menu of Emacs on Mac?

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee It's getting hot in here, so take off all your clothes.

Justin Heyes-Jones
​I read a lot of popular math books and they always talk about the same 5 mathematicians because in the early days they did so much

meocats
​diophantus, boole, gauss, euler, gauchy, galois ...

dipi
​Cantor, Gödel

nybo
​xah-previous-user-buffer <---- these type of functions

meocats
​each one is a chapter, there are 30

dipi
​… also, Korn shell…

BartholomewJS
​@dipi Korn made a shell? :D

Justin Heyes-Jones
​@Xah Lee have you watched documentary Inside Bill's Brain, about Bill gates?

dipi
​indeed, @BartholomewJS

meocats
​my favorite phrase is "in god we trust all others bring information"

Justin Heyes-Jones
​(menu-bar-mode -1)

dipi
​<-- shouldn’t have asked about that Help menu

dipi
​@BartholomewJS my openSUSE has ksh preinstalled, along csh (C Shell), as light-weight alternatives to bash

meocats
​i have seen that terry davis comparison come up multiple times actually since at least 8 month ago

BartholomewJS
​@dipi I use BASH since ever and I only tried out other shells, never really wanted/needed to use them.

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dipi
​These days I only »exec csh« if I want to manipulate my bash history, so yeah

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee See, you are promoting SJWism when using and promoting Discord.

dipi
​I did not know that

Justin Heyes-Jones
​@BartholomewJS me too, bash all the way

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee If you would use an actual FORUM *wink wink* you would find it immediately...

Justin Heyes-Jones
​haha

Justin Heyes-Jones
​even slack has good search

dipi
​I hope mass telepathy is the future :-D

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee Forum is structured and good for big chunks information i.e what you do every day since decades.

meocats
​*facepalm*

Justin Heyes-Jones
​I sometimes think Twitter is evidence of mass telepathy

Justin Heyes-Jones
​two tribes with same opinions on everything

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee If you want an interactive chat with the positive aspects of fora, then use Mattermost.

meocats
​he must have been in a different timezone

meocats
​he's a jealous geek trying to create drama because he can't participate in the topic discussed

meocats
​animals get bored you have to dangled a carrot in front of their face once in a while

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee Don't worry, I will make you famous.

Justin Heyes-Jones
​A jealous geek on /g/ hahah who'd have guessed

dipi
​What if Mattermost promotes torturing kittens?

Justin Heyes-Jones
​how do I join the discord

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee Mattermost is a group discussion tool with many plug-ins, etc. to talk with group of people in a structured way.

meocats
​*processed* apple juice

BartholomewJS
​@dipi Still better than SJWism.

Xah Lee
​xahlee club on discord. https://discord.gg/QYFcqNT

dipi
​maybe

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee I told you months ago, I can't post links.

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee All links get silently deleted.

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee I am fighting it every day. I don't go underground.

dipi
​good point, @Xah Lee

Justin Heyes-Jones
​thanks will join

meocats
​they are young and naive xah let them swim in the sewage

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee If I use Discord to promote against Discord, isn't that hypocritical?

dipi
​I just like seeing all those young people being enthusiastic…

Erik Karlsson
​@Xah Lee Have you tried any keyboard driven modern web browsers like qutebrowser or webmacs?

meocats
​i've been sing gentoo for 10+ years and i'm a neurosurgeon don't school me

nybo
​you know, social justice warriors can get you a boost in exposure

meocats
​just because i introduced you to 4chan troll stff

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee 1984 is written so many decades ago and yet people after all this time just don't get it, and make the exactly same mistakes as displayed in the novel.

BartholomewJS
​@nybo Sadly, yes.

nybo
​@meocats LOL, is that true?

meocats
​"the man died" --> "his life service slowed down causing a poor user experience until his queue cleared"

dipi
​»clears« is Scienctology-speak, also bad ;-)

LaloHao
​poor google

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee Thank you for showing this instruction on how to write ableist sentences. I will prefer the way the red thumbed down sentences propose.

meocats
​"slave master" --> i preffer daddy / little girl

BartholomewJS
​@LaloHao Poor crippled dummy crazy Google. (Is this sentence gonna be censored?)

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Erik Karlsson
​Fuck i wish Emacs could use more than one thread.

dipi
​dunno, languages chance over time anyway

dipi
​^change

Xah Lee
​Politics and the English Language (George Orwell) http://wordyenglish.com/p/george_orwe...

Justin Heyes-Jones
​❤ George Orwell

BartholomewJS
​@dipi Language forms your way of thinking. Not the other way around. So if language changes to more stupid, the average Joe will be dumber, on average.

Justin Heyes-Jones
​Gotta go later y'all

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee Scientology is the only topic you should be cautious about.

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee This is the most famous scientology related video.

BartholomewJS
​@Justin See you next time.

meocats
​Did they use linux or windows ?

dipi
​@BartholomewJS Sapir-Whorf is a fascinating hypothesis, but it has its critics

dipi
​… see the historic topics around »lingua franca«

meocats
​the word is con artist

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee OSA and SeaOrg are interesting organizations.

BartholomewJS
​@dipi Yes, though I support this view strongly because of the known + additional reasons.

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee Religion = Huge Cult

meocats
​linux has its own TeX and if you dont use it you get banned from irc

dipi
​Has anybody seen Jason Beghe’s interview after he left Scientology? It’s absolutely fanscinating, but almost 3 hours; I recommend it

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee It is proven they did criminal stuff. Not only alleged.

Erik Karlsson
​Do Scientologists really believe in Scientology?

BartholomewJS
​@dipi I think I only watched part of it, if I remember the guy correctly.

BartholomewJS
​@Erik Karlsson You are so much under pressure there, which makes even the strongest body builder crack mentally. So yes, they actually believe it.

dipi
​Yes, in the Netherlands and in Germany, Scientology is not a religion.

meocats
​check out today's shooting on germany

dipi
​*(which can be problematic as well: how can governents decide about what is a religion?)

meocats
​only 2 dead; that german efficiency 😀

BartholomewJS
​@dipi Looking at every evil organization and check if it is religious, is a very good start.

Erik Karlsson
​Interesting, it seems so bizarre from the outside.

dipi
​hehe, you may be on to something there, @BartholomewJS

BartholomewJS
​@Erik Karlsson It is bizarre. But we are also bizarre to a scientologist.

BartholomewJS
​@dipi I fear Scientology more than any Mafia. Mafia is mostly business. Scientology is a super extreme ideology. I never expect a mafia member to do a suicide bombing. I expect that from any

BartholomewJS
​@dipi scientologist, if they are asked to.

dipi
​Miscavage’s wife just vanished, and he says »she is on an important internal mission«…

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee They have their own laws. They call the cops only in Clearwater when you are peeking into their houses from 1 mile away.

BartholomewJS
​@dipi "So important, she will never return. Don't worry, she is absolutely fine!!" :D

dipi
​frightening, chilling

meocats
​is dianetics a play on word for the communist word of dialectics?

meocats
​@Xah Lee ^

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee Tomorrow Same time?

meocats
​if you will exercis make sure there is PROGRESSIVE OVERLOAD

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee You call people working on Windows programmers?

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee I heard F# is fine.

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee You already have read enough books. Time to write some for us.

meocats
​here you go *

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee When I was a kid I read more than 1 book a month. :(

dipi
​<-- currently reads »Infinite Loop« (Malone, about Apple), »Why I Am Not a Muslim« (Ibn Farraq), »The Abecedarium« and »Klagenfurter Texte 1996« … slow reader here

BartholomewJS
​@dipi Read everything written by Hamed Abdel-Samad

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meocats
​b1570641665764.jpg

dipi
​will add to list :-)

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee ToMoRroW sAmE tiiMe?

dipi
​Cheers. @Xah Lee

dipi
​bye guys

Erik Karlsson
​Bye everyone!

Xah Lee
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