-*- coding: utf-8 -*- abdo esam ​hey xahlee dipi ​hello chat BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee Can you answer my question? La Casaca ​hello Xah Lee ​some thing wrong La Casaca ​yes Xah Lee ​this chat is new abdo esam ​yes dipi ​yay! cool4skull ​what happened? I was in the other chat for a while abdo esam ​here we go ZitronCrazy ​hey xah BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee I asked for your opinion about repairability in general and repairability regarding Microsoft, yesterday. Xah Lee ​xahlee club on discord. https://discord.gg/QYFcqNT mat5ch ​hey there BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee You can call me Bart but it means "beard" in German. dipi ​there’s also Bart Ehrman, a prominent new-testament bible scholar mat5ch ​what exactly do you mean with repairability in regards to ms? @BartholomewJS BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee Being precise saves you generally a lot of time in the long run. Same for talking. Take your time before you speak and you will save half an hour. BartholomewJS ​@mat5ch I saw a video explaining that Microsoft tries to make their products repairable. Which is against the mainstream, that tries to make everything as hard to repair as possible. mat5ch ​oh, i c, didnt know mat5ch ​im usually against the stuff ms does BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee What do you think about the brand new Apex Pro TKL by steelseries. BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee I did not watch the whole stream, because you had disappointed me. So maybe you have addressed it afterwards. dipi ​The »Right to Repair« bill is promoted by self-made Apple repair shops like Louis Rossmann in NY and Jessa … something… from iPad Rehab. Apple makes it difficult for them to repair clients’ Apple HW BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee I never was able to post links, neither did I see anyone post links. Ever. Watch your streams. Xah Lee ​http://xahlee.info/comp/blog.html cool4skull ​Bart is a troll BartholomewJS ​@dipi Louis Rossmann was the guy that made the video I mentioned. mat5ch ​@BartholomewJS i just posted svelte . dev BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee Do you think I have a self-censoring extension in my browser? mat5ch ​last time i was here i think dipi ​oh ok, right on @BartholomewJS BartholomewJS ​@mat5ch I don't see the link. League of Noobs ​hello, I am at the second year of computer science, Do you think there are interesting project that i should persue? i know some java,.assembly and algorithms cool4skull ​all work BartholomewJS ​I posted a link to steelseries. BartholomewJS ​Again, I did. mat5ch ​yeah, not a link, but the hint BartholomewJS ​I posted the link twice, again. maxirater ​wait Xah, I posted a link, I see it in chat, but not on your chat dipi ​<-- can’t post links, can’t use emoji; just tried BartholomewJS ​I see it in MY chat too. But you all never see it. BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee Listen to @dipi. abdo esam ​use bitly to make sure it works!! mat5ch ​yeah, links cant be posted BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee How much do you bet that I have not seen a link? cool4skull ​I also posted link which showed up at my end but don’t see it at your end mat5ch ​it seems maxirater ​Xah- read the chat, there is a problem BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee Seems like you owe me an apology. mat5ch ​i guess only mods BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee As I am no the only one. mat5ch ​can post links? abdo esam ​bitly just works guys just use it for posting links mat5ch ​or sth with the settings @Xah Lee cool4skull ​You CANOT post links directly. You’d have to disect it dipi ​Trying to post the link to this hangout… now: cool4skull ​cnn . com Xah Lee ​xahlee . info /comp/blog.html BartholomewJS ​I posted xah lee info maxirater ​I did post a link, its shows up in my chat, but not your chat BartholomewJS ​xahlee_._info League of Noobs ​​xahlee . info /comp/blog.html mat5ch ​u can obscurify links, but not post them directly @Xah Lee BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee Nobody can post links. BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee Read the damn chat. ZitronCrazy ​oh a space left dipi ​@BartholomewJS means actual URLs — you can post those La Casaca ​reson will prevail!!! La Casaca ​reason* dipi ​^not BartholomewJS ​.@Xah Lee That keyboard is the only high quality new one that has Hall switches. abdo esam ​BITLY COM BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee Read the page. dipi ​<-- using Apples Aluminium keyboard since 13 years because of its 19 function keys mat5ch ​@dipi i have that one too xD La Casaca ​what's nice about *Hal* switches BartholomewJS ​@dipi I use the first generation Logitech G15 because of 3 times 16 custom programmable keys. Jorge Zava ​lol dipi ​nice BartholomewJS ​@La Casaca The switches will survive you and your son in terms of durability, for example. La Casaca ​but why dipi ​I use a Logitech M325 wireless mouse, minimalistic BartholomewJS ​@La Casaca Read on how these switches work. mat5ch ​what about topre switches? @Xah Lee BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee Do you know Chyrosran22? dipi ​soooo many choices for periphery… even on Linux BartholomewJS ​SteelSeries Zboard is still the best keyboard today. dipi ​anybody here ever tried out VR goggles? I’d like to some day dingo dingeroo ​That dude uses his right index finger to press space =O' BartholomewJS ​@dipi I've tried it about 2 years ago during the great hype at my cousin's place. It was a huge disappointment, considering all the extreme hype. Honestly, it was boring. Though, just my opinion. Xah Lee ​http://xahlee.info/kbd/ibm_model_m_ke... dipi ​Did you through up, though? 😀 @BartholomewJS mat5ch ​@dipi not tried yet, some day BartholomewJS ​@dipi One of the reasons I found it so bad is because naturally when you have a display attached to your face, the effective resolution of the display is reduced dramatically. dipi ​I see — also, latency issues BartholomewJS ​@dipi No. It was just boring. It's like someone wanted to show me their favourite pencil. dipi ​hehe BartholomewJS ​@dipi Back then (don't know about nowadays) I saw literally every single pixel. That's cool for retro games but not for wannabe high res games. dipi ​I agree BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee Are the switches crap? BartholomewJS ​@dipi Additionally, I like to sit comfortably when doing anything. With motion-sensitive goggles on, you have to be sitting straight like a ferret. dipi ​… or use a VR treadmill :-) BartholomewJS ​@dipi Are these real? dipi ​@BartholomewJS There’s that guy Scott Ross from AccursedFarms/ChilledSanity/Freeman’s Mind fame, he dreams of walking through his fav games with VR gear some day BartholomewJS ​@dipi Some day, it will be possible. dipi ​Real VR treadmills, though? Not sure League of Noobs ​Well, this year i am studying operative systems and I have no courses which uses languages so i was woundering how not to lose the skill to program dipi ​^operating systems? BartholomewJS ​@League of Noobs If you are familiar with Java anyway, you might go for Kotlin. At least that's a good choice anyway, if you want to be more hirable. BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee Do you finally see that nobody can post? BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee You said you saw so many links posted. I guess you are lost yourself? dipi ​@Xah Lee no worries if URLs don’t work… we can work around it GrinDeg ​Hello Xah and chat! BartholomewJS ​@GrinDeg Nice to see you here. dipi ​@Xah Lee you might adjust permissions to post stuff on the YT dashbord BartholomewJS ​@dipi I hope that is possible. BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee How about you start changing "Top Chat" to "Live Chat". BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee "Top Chat" is censor mode. dipi ​<-- always chooses »Live chat« BartholomewJS ​He says "whore switch" instead of "hall switch". BartholomewJS ​@dipi Same here. dipi ​just thumb-upped this hangout (hint, hint) BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee Yes you can use it as a "gas pedal". BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee I think the only requirement left might be software-side. Hardware-side it works. mat5ch ​@BartholomewJS are u running Debian btw? BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee You will love the SteelSeries zBoard. BartholomewJS ​@mat5ch Yes, a lot of it. 😁 GrinDeg ​@Xah Lee Razer? dipi ​<-- openSUSE Leap 15.0 here Phundrak ​It reminds me of a very big return key I saw that was like 1ft×1/2ft BartholomewJS ​@Phundrak I need a keyboard that consists of a huge return key. mat5ch ​lol Phundrak ​the return key I was talking about (it always makes me laugh): BartholomewJS ​Do you want to pay 100$ for this super genuine iPhone from this Chinese seller? *hits return key* La Casaca ​Filco keyboards are nice, no fluff dipi ​I am beginning to like the idea of a separate USB num/fn key pad BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee Change "Top Chat" to "Live Chat". BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee 's girlfriend on the picture. dipi ​good idea mat5ch ​nice, ideal for Spacemacs lol BartholomewJS ​@dipi It is more ergonomic to have the numpad on the left side of the keyboard. dipi ​<-- left-handed tho GrinDeg ​@Xah Lee on the top of the chat BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee Look on your display. mat5ch ​im waiting for the first reviews on the ms keyboard u talked about recently @Xah Lee maybe ill go with that one in the future BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee You really think I'm stupid if you think I did never try that. dipi ​URL obfuscation =/= being able to post URLs This message is held for review. BartholomewJS ​youtu_._be_/_I7fXJfk2_eE dingo dingeroo ​random chat is the best chat BartholomewJS ​Does everyone see this dissected link? mat5ch ​xD dipi ​what link? BartholomewJS ​youtu_._be / I7fXJfk2_eE BartholomewJS ​Now? dipi ​nope, sorry BartholomewJS ​youtu_._be_ / I 7 f X J f k 2 _ e E BartholomewJS ​Now? GrinDeg ​no link dipi ​no BartholomewJS ​It doesn't show the link because it has an ID with random alphanumeric characters. Phundrak ​I posted a link too, and apparently it didn’t go through either BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee That zBoard thing was a joke. BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee Look up zBoard SteelSeries. dingo dingeroo ​I like the feel of rubber domes, second only to buckling springs. For some reason cherry don't have any resistance at the top of the key press and it's super annoying. dipi ​use domain (dot) TLD (slash) . . . dingo dingeroo ​Haven't tried topre / alps / topre though BartholomewJS ​@dipi Never worked this way. Tried several times. dipi ​dang it Phundrak ​What they do for keyboards is basically what they also make for a lot of stuff for gamers: rebrand stuff, make it beautiful before make it good, and sell it for a high price BartholomewJS ​I posted the link to "Microsoft says they value repair-ability, designs more repairable product." by Louis Rossmann. Maybe one of you can try it. mat5ch ​can u see the link? BartholomewJS ​@mat5ch No. mat5ch ​ok, damn BartholomewJS ​I dissected it. Still did not work. BartholomewJS ​I even dissected each character. Still to no avail. dipi ​maybe post them on … (dramatic music) … Discord BartholomewJS ​@dipi . dipi ​did i do a bad? Phundrak ​It reminds me how my gaming mouse was more useful for me at work for shortcuts than when actually gaming BartholomewJS ​@dipi A piece of my soul inside my dies every time I see someone mentioning Discord. dipi ​I can empathize BartholomewJS ​@dipi That dot was a dust particle scratched off my soul dipi ​lol, sorry . . . BartholomewJS ​@dipi There, 3 particles of the soul in your sentence. mat5ch ​do we have to program our own Discord? @BartholomewJS dipi ​<-- lacks belief in a soul BartholomewJS ​@mat5ch There are tons of alternatives already. But Discord is the one everyone gets shoved in their face like a huge d***o. cool4skull ​@Xah Lee, are you drinking ALCOHOL? mat5ch ​whatd you prefer? @BartholomewJS BartholomewJS ​@mat5ch Well, if I want to have something as close to Discord as possible, I choose Mattermost. It is truly a great app. cool4skull ​do you drink alcohol? BartholomewJS ​@mat5ch One of the coolest things I use with Mattermost is a really great Github integration. mat5ch ​ok, ill check that BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee So apparently YOUR Top Chat was at fault, not my "client". I'm waiting. mat5ch ​is it also based on Electron? BartholomewJS ​@mat5ch I don't know, I don't think so. GrinDeg ​@Xah Lee it's on TOP chat by deafult. But it doesn't affect us dipi ​<-- partial to the occasional bottle of Underberg herbal schnapps dingo dingeroo ​Electron stuff is so stupid. Maybe when we get quantum computers we could use discord and vscode at the same time. BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee I am NSFW. BartholomewJS ​@dingo dingeroo Good idea. 😂 mat5ch ​@dingo dingeroo hehe BartholomewJS ​Another cold case closed. BartholomewJS ​Next episode in Xah Factor: dipi ​we are still in the software crisis they talked about in the 1980s League of Noobs ​@Xah Lee well, I was searching for cool algorithms to implement, I like path finding ; suggestions? BartholomewJS ​Xahlgorithm BartholomewJS ​The algorithm of reaching the biggest digression. dipi ​3Blue1Brown uses his own sw to render fantastic videos about all kinds of mathematics: geometry, complex analysis etc Xah Lee ​maze book for programer Xah Lee ​http://www.amazon.com/dp/1680500554/?... BartholomewJS ​If Xah's thoughts were represented in a maze, nobody would ever get out of this maze. mat5ch ​gtg, have a nice rest of the day! dipi ​<-- implemented Lehman prime algorithm in Ruby, fun times dingo dingeroo ​@mat5ch peace dog BartholomewJS ​@mat5ch See you next time, mate. dipi ​cheers, @mat5ch BartholomewJS ​@dipi Wow, nice. Do you have Github?= dipi ​Prosit *clink* meocats ​enable links This message is held for review. meocats ​enable porn meocats ​enable 4chan meocats ​plug it right to my veins League of Noobs ​Thanks ! BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee said Julia. dipi ​I’ve used Ruby+GL+GLu+GLut for graphics and RubySDL for rendering JPGs into windows … very slowly :-) dipi ​@Xah Lee dipi ​OpenGL sphere in Ruby+GL in 20 lines meocats ​i work for a living, i want memes when i log on, not geek stuff meocats ​or serious tech discussion nybo ​do you use org mode xah? nybo ​and the pdf option BartholomewJS ​@nybo Don't forget the Trigger Warning. dipi ​Oh, stereographic projection… like the Hilbert sphere ZitronCrazy ​math in school is so boring dipi ​depends on the teacher BartholomewJS ​@dipi It's hard to get the 1% teacher that actually teaches it well. ZitronCrazy ​yes but, there are also the tasks meocats ​rob pike has some statements about language design BartholomewJS ​@dipi Back then, my teacher was seen as a pedo by all pupils. ZitronCrazy ​they are easy and boring dipi ​then I’ve been exceptionally lucky meocats ​he says google programmers are not researchers, so lang design has to be simple to understand meocats ​he says they're unabled to understand a fine language BartholomewJS ​@dipi Obviously. meocats ​hence, Go lang meocats ​is made for freshmen out of college programmer meocats ​his words meocats ​"They're not capable of understanding a brilliant language" meocats ​google that quote for source meocats ​in the creator's own words, Go lang is designed to manage a team of 1000's of code monkeys dipi ​anyone listened to »Code Monkey« song by Jonathan Coulton? BartholomewJS ​@dipi Not yet. dipi ​funny song dipi ​<-- searching for efficient algorithms to generate crossword puzzles dipi ​… already working: brute-force but slow generation and SVG rendering BartholomewJS ​@dipi Will you get on Github? Kathy H ​thanks for the talk nybo ​OH MY GOD dipi ​I am hesitant nybo ​why the hell does emacs not include \n dipi ​maybe some day @BartholomewJS BartholomewJS ​@nybo You can call me Jesus. But GOD is fine, as well. nybo ​been debugging the export 30mins now dipi ​nah League of Noobs ​I am italian so... yeah dipi ​git all the way nybo ​@BartholomewJS lol League of Noobs ​have a good day dipi ​cheers all, till tomorrow maybe @Xah Lee BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee Tell them to wake up at 3 in the morning for their crabburger. La Casaca ​@Xah Lee you need to try racket Kathy H ​please consider European time LOL dipi ​bye dingo dingeroo ​peace big G ZitronCrazy ​bye BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee European time rules. Xah Lee Say something... 0/200