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11:11 AM
BartholomewJS
​Greetings, everyone.

11:17 AM
Freddy Freeman
​hello there

11:18 AM
BartholomewJS
​@Freddy Freeman Greetings.

11:29 AM
Xah Lee
​greetings!

11:30 AM
BartholomewJS
​The Xah arrived.

11:32 AM
Xah Lee
​yes sir!

11:33 AM
Xah Lee
​i spent 3 hours on webpack yesterday, looking at its source code

11:33 AM
Xah Lee
​made me sad

11:33 AM
Xah Lee
​@Freddy Freeman @BartholomewJS what's today's topic?

11:34 AM
Xah Lee
​i have some, but not much

11:35 AM
Xah Lee
​@BartholomewJS have you studied much js, electron?

11:35 AM
Odd-Harald Myhren
​can you discuss how comfy the kinesis keyboard is

11:35 AM
Xah Lee
​@Odd-Harald Myhren will do

11:35 AM
Odd-Harald Myhren
​and what do you think of lenovo laptop keyboards before chiclet style? for instance x200, t420 and so on

11:36 AM
Odd-Harald Myhren
​for a laptop id consider those the best

11:36 AM
Odd-Harald Myhren
​but desktop probs the kinesis

11:36 AM
Odd-Harald Myhren
​by far

11:39 AM
BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee I was still thinking a lot about what I actually want to do but after all I decided I want to make the Nyquist keyboard. If I can, I will finish it this year.

11:40 AM
BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee I already feel pain sometimes when I type too much on my non-ergonomic gaming keyboard.

11:40 AM
Xah Lee
​oh great

11:40 AM
Xah Lee
​nyquist is great choice

11:42 AM
BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee The others are "too wavey" and too weird for me. I like the simplicity in combination with orthogonality of Nyquist.

11:42 AM
BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee I like how it is just a square.

11:43 AM
BartholomewJS
​2 squares

11:48 AM
Xah Lee
​yes. i like the 2 squares form too
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11:55 AM
Freddy Freeman
​yes im here! hello xah

11:56 AM
Freddy Freeman
​yes since youre talking baout js frameworks i wodnered how you do unit tests in js, if you do, and what frameworks u would use?

11:56 AM
Freddy Freeman
​currently using mocha in typescript

11:59 AM
Freddy Freeman
​oh i didnt read the above messages, butmaybe say something about js later on 😃

12:02 PM
Xah Lee
​Ergonomic Keyboard Reviews http://xahlee.info/kbd/ergonomic_keyb...

12:02 PM
Kathy H
​I'm almost onboard now..

12:02 PM
Alan W
​hellllllo

12:02 PM
Freddy Freeman
​i have to go to the shop now befre it closes, brb

12:04 PM
Alan W
​Kinesis is cool! 😀

12:04 PM
Alan W
​another thing, which Xah would not have to worry about, is that some "key chords" are hard on the Kinesis

12:04 PM
Alan W
​e.g. ctrl + alt + something

12:04 PM
Alan W
​this is inconvenient for people using default mappings

12:06 PM
Odd-Harald Myhren
​is swapping between keyboards necessary

12:09 PM
meocats
​fack the ergo techgeeking HHKB

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12:09 PM
meocats
​who was leopold? fack that guy too

12:10 PM
Daniel Sierpinski
​Hey Lee ^^

12:11 PM
Odd-Harald Myhren
​im still here :p

12:11 PM
meocats
​the word fack only got censored in one line but not the other

12:11 PM
meocats
​the spam filter seems to understand semantics

12:12 PM
meocats
​or if you're a script kiddie

12:12 PM
League of Noobs
​hello

12:12 PM
meocats
​buy one

12:12 PM
Odd-Harald Myhren
​wont it hurt without having arm rest?

12:13 PM
meocats
​holy

12:13 PM
meocats
​340

12:13 PM
meocats
​you can buy a xeon with that money

12:14 PM
meocats
​have you ever considered putting modifier key like Ctrl, Alt, to a foot pedal?

12:15 PM
meocats
​nyquist is bad the keys arent even staggered

12:15 PM
BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee Thanks.

12:15 PM
meocats
​when will they learn? the answer is, when they get RSI

12:15 PM
BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee Deckweiss will assist me.

12:16 PM
Odd-Harald Myhren
​javascript the good parts

12:16 PM
Alan W
​yes Xah reference is better!

12:17 PM
meocats
​where does the word 'javascript' come from if it doesnt have anything to do with java?

12:19 PM
Alan W
​the dependencies have dependencies too

12:19 PM
Alan W
​!!!

12:19 PM
meocats
​you have a thread on 4chan g/thread/73313858

12:20 PM
meocats
​npm is obsolete

12:22 PM
meocats
​yea that's a lot of crap you got there

12:24 PM
Odd-Harald Myhren
​how are the thumb keys on kinesis?

12:24 PM
Odd-Harald Myhren
​will it cause strain on the thumb?

12:26 PM
Erik Karlsson
​Man, JavaScript was supposed to be a LISP based on scheme, but because Java was so big in marketing the folks at Mozilla wanted it to be more similar to Java.

12:26 PM
Alan W
​@Xah Lee should we become transhumanist cyborgs to overcome our pet status?

12:27 PM
meocats
​teodore kaczynski did nothing wrong

12:27 PM
Daniel Sierpinski
​Don't you think that the fasion makes a lot to do with modern programing? ^^

12:28 PM
meocats
​matz?

12:28 PM
Daniel Sierpinski
​Matz has mot created rubyonrails

12:28 PM
Daniel Sierpinski
​not*

12:30 PM
meocats
​the most important aspect of a programming langue is its ideology, perferably as culty as possible

12:30 PM
meocats
​free as in herpes

12:30 PM
meocats
​open sores linux

12:31 PM
Freddy Freeman
​yes

12:31 PM
meocats
​unit testing serves a purpose, what else do you suggest in its place?

12:36 PM
Freddy Freeman
​yea it is super heavy....

12:37 PM
Freddy Freeman
​its not my choice tbh, but its legacy code that im dealing with right now 😞

12:37 PM
Freddy Freeman
​(also im more of an intern^^)

12:37 PM
League of Noobs
​I hate legacy code

12:37 PM
League of Noobs
​often full of crap

12:38 PM
meocats
​what do you want to replace unit testing with?

12:39 PM
Freddy Freeman
​ya this particular code is very unreadable and messy too unfortunately, but im making my own testing "framework" little by little 😃

12:40 PM
Freddy Freeman
​"if you want to lose weight stop eating" 😂😂 great!

12:41 PM
Alan W
​if u fast 30 days without food, you can buy yourself a Kinesis keyboard

12:41 PM
Alan W
​these are wholesome thoughts

12:42 PM
Alan W
​@Xah Lee have you done any rants about software/dependency bloat in general?

12:44 PM
meocats
​seems like a necessary evil as softwaare gets bigger and faster

12:44 PM
Didac Cerver
​How do you feel about being the new Terry Davis of 4chan?

12:44 PM
Alan W
​UNIX philosophy is the GATEWAY DRUG

12:46 PM
League of Noobs
​i need to buy a 50$ keyboard but dont know if there are worth the price considering it is a low price

12:47 PM
Kathy H
​yeah, I've been looking at kinesis keyboard for a while. but my hands are probably too small for the keyboad distance

12:47 PM
Kathy H
​asian + girl ...darn it..

12:48 PM
Alan W
​@Kathy H us asians have to practice keyboarding like we do piano

12:48 PM
Alan W
​then we can stretch the distance

12:49 PM
Kathy H
​@Alan W give up on piano for the same reason lol

12:49 PM
Daniel Sierpinski
​Ugh, I dont like floating windows 😁

12:49 PM
Alan W
​lol I think the trick is the same; we can move hands instead of stretching!

12:51 PM
Liokardo
​@Xah Lee What are some basic changes you would like to see for the standard keyboard? I think making the modifiers 1.25u to 1.5u then making the spacebar smaller would be very good.

12:53 PM
Alan W
​"The Momentum of Bad Design" <- sounds like a compelling article/book title

12:56 PM
Dizziness
​What do you think about Esperanto?

12:59 PM
Daniel Sierpinski
​Ruby! ^-^

12:59 PM
Ben jamin
​You must learn Clojure

12:59 PM
League of Noobs
​you must learn rush

12:59 PM
Daniel Sierpinski
​I did, still, Ruby and Smalltalk! c:

12:59 PM
Liokardo
​C is fast

12:59 PM
Freddy Freeman
​you must learn forth

1:00 PM
League of Noobs
​rust*

1:00 PM
Daniel Sierpinski
​A stone is fast when you throw it strong enough

1:00 PM
Freddy Freeman
​dammmn

1:00 PM
Freddy Freeman
​buurn

1:00 PM
Freddy Freeman
​nah^^

1:01 PM
Freddy Freeman
​but still funny

1:05 PM
Ben jamin
​Is Rust faster than C?

1:05 PM
League of Noobs
​nah

1:05 PM
Freddy Freeman
​in some areas

1:06 PM
Freddy Freeman
​but i guess its miniscule

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1:08 PM
Alan W
​viva the JavaScript millenial fasdfck-heads!

1:09 PM
Tribu de Simeon 12,000
​make Phoniecian Keyboard app for android.

1:10 PM
Liokardo
​learn the best thing FIRST

1:10 PM
Liokardo
​become the best

1:11 PM
Ben jamin
​Ortholinear keyboard is best

1:13 PM
Liokardo
​opinion much?

1:13 PM
Liokardo
​lol

1:14 PM
Ben jamin
​fact

1:14 PM
Ben jamin
​Staggered keys is from typewriter age

1:15 PM
Zwanzika Hatzel
​You always talk a lot about Lisp and Mathematica, but what do you think about prolog??

1:16 PM
Liokardo
​finger length, checkmate

1:17 PM
Alan W
​@Xah Lee did you just mix bang with fruit juice?

1:17 PM
Ben jamin
​cranberry is healthy

1:18 PM
Alan W
​@Xah Lee often your drink pouring is off screen so I didn't notice the mixing 😲

1:18 PM
Ben jamin
​But fruit naturally has sugar? How can you get fruit drink without any sugar?

1:18 PM
Daniel Sierpinski
​Buy artifical sugar is no good

1:18 PM
Liokardo
​White refined sugar.

1:19 PM
Alan W
​we're going to have a beverage purging purity spiral

1:19 PM
Alan W
​xah cult, no added sugar

1:20 PM
Alan W
​added sugar will spill under your key caps

1:20 PM
Kathy H
​thanks

1:21 PM
Liokardo
​kinesis advantage is ortholinear but bowl shape

1:29 PM
Liokardo
​i believe ergo keyboard will be better for gaming. Team Fortress 2 and Quake Live. switching weapons

1:29 PM
Freddy Freeman
​thx

1:29 PM
Liokardo
​thank you for streaming

1:30 PM
Liokardo
​have a good day

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