-*- coding: utf-8 -*- Xah Lee ​updated the possible topics in description Xah Lee ​might start with last time's pick, item 8, 9, if no topics. cool4skull ​11 Firefox new logo? magnify the docker cool4skull ​13 new paper 〈The TeX Pestilence (Why TeX/LaTeX Sucks)〉 Xah Lee ​morn @cool4skull . great. Freddy Freeman ​@Xah Lee ill be here after all. mh my comment disappered with the question, maybe another time Freddy Freeman ​@Xah Lee 16 ukraine Freddy Freeman ​would like to know about that Xah Lee ​coming on in 5 min alessivs ​sup BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee Your voice was the scream reminder. I had your scream tab open in the background. ZitronCrazy ​Hey Xah Lee BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee pm BartholomewJS ​11pm Kathy H ​hi all BartholomewJS ​@Kathy H Good to see you. Welcome to live chat! Remember to guard your privacy and abide by our community guidelines. BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee Why the good mood? Smashed an open source shill? mat5ch ​hey all BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee Did you rip Richard Stallmann's arm off? BartholomewJS ​@mat5ch Greetings mat5ch ​greetings Bart Emily ​Heyy xah! mat5ch ​am i allowed to post the link to your forum on Discord? @BartholomewJS Liam W ​morning BartholomewJS ​@mat5ch How nice of you to ask, thank you. I don't mind it being shared. I wish I could set up a firewall against trolls, but there is no way I can achieve that, so might as well post it there. BartholomewJS ​@mat5ch Trolls = spamming. I don't mind controverse topics/people/opinions. Joric ​hi xah lee! you can actually type russian on 40% keyboards. check out jorne keyboard mat5ch ​@BartholomewJS all right Freddy Freeman ​"xahcasm" 😀 ZitronCrazy ​@Xah Lee Do you have a good idea what I can do with astronomy in Mathmetica? Because I never write a script and its new for me and I need some inspiration Freddy Freeman ​do a rant Freddy Freeman ​🤣 BartholomewJS ​UX BartholomewJS ​addToVocabulary(UX) Freddy Freeman ​haha Kathy H ​addToVocabulary(linux backward compatibility) Freddy Freeman ​oh no kathy... 😆 BartholomewJS ​addToVocabulary(gaming keyboard with UX by Richard Stallmann) Justin Heyes-Jones ​Hi all BartholomewJS ​@Justin Heyes-Jones Greetings mat5ch ​hey Justin BartholomewJS ​cheezus Alan W ​hay xah Alan W ​hay chat BartholomewJS ​@Alan W Greetings. mat5ch ​when did u last run Linux? @Xah Lee mat5ch ​like modern Desktop BartholomewJS ​@mat5ch He all the time takes old issues about Linux as his main arguments, so probably 8 years ago or longer ago. League of Noobs ​uh hello mat5ch ​@Xah Lee i get your point, but thats bothering me anyways alessivs ​I love how those wizard windows can't be resized, and if bent so that they can be resized, the controls inside don't scale Justin Heyes-Jones ​Yes it sucks Alan W ​Xah, I think this is a problem. If we were to rebuild the Windows' UI from scratch (e.g. God forbid, in JavaScript lol), we would not do all that scrolling stuff Alan W ​Personally, I dislike these "modals" like you are showing on twitter now Alan W ​it is nice to have sensible defaults and then be able to manage your own windows Alan W ​especially if they are interactive Alan W ​if you have an image that is enlarged via a modal, which you can click to close---that seems fine enough Alan W ​but beyond that it gets kinda annoying Alan W ​@Xah Lee here is another buzz word that explains UI choices: "mobile first" T.T BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee Breathe in, breathe out. Don't forget your melodeous voice~~ League of Noobs ​It seems like a programmer did that because it seems fine to him BartholomewJS ​@Alan W Is this truly their buzz word? Because mobile UX is worse than swallowing knives. This message is held for review. Alan W ​@BartholomewJS lol yes melodious voice, plus syncopated "FCKSDFJF OPEN SOURCE";; it is like a symphony! Alan W ​@Xah Lee these people are staggered keyboard, pinky pushing, non-touch typing "tech-geeker" normies Alan W ​they do not understand ur enlightened computing BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee I actually agree with all your comments on UX you just talked about. Alan W ​@Xah Lee the Matrix is mobile first; you have seen the cracks Hello beautiful people! ​Hello everyone! BartholomewJS ​@Hello beautiful people! Your name is on drugs.. alessivs ​They could be designing modals that way to keep an anchor to the main site, lest people forget how to go back. Also, the content in the background updates so people still "see things moving". Hello beautiful people! ​@BartholomewJS 😉 This message is held for review. Justin Heyes-Jones ​I tell you what else sucks, copy and pasting on pretty much any web page. Freddy Freeman ​ya this design is quite weird Alan W ​they are not crazy, they are mobile first KingHerring ​some motherFers Freddy Freeman ​but its not because of unix philosophy Alan W ​we are the race of the keyboard 键盘族 Freddy Freeman ​or linux community Alan W ​キーボード族 KingHerring ​NIM BartholomewJS ​Nim rulzz KingHerring ​^ this Alan W ​Mobile first is "peep show window" Roland ​EXWM is the best windows manager alessivs ​Emacs is the best WM BartholomewJS ​Mobile = glorified peep show window Justin Heyes-Jones ​@alessivs lol word alessivs ​<-- happy EXWM user Freddy Freeman ​it sucks KingHerring ​most UI/UX people do web now. and yet web is still garbage mat5ch ​i like the OpenBSD website xD BartholomewJS ​@mat5ch Go burn mat5ch ​they regularly change the image on the front page lol Hello beautiful people! ​@Xah Lee wouldn't be easier just send money to you instead of buying crap online? BartholomewJS ​@Hello beautiful people! Stay true to your name and send him 1000$. Xah Lee ​http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0160G2U1E/?... css is awesome mug Hello beautiful people! ​@BartholomewJS It say's "Hello" not "Watch me bankrupt" 😀 Justin Heyes-Jones ​@Xah Lee do you use any analytics service on your site? BartholomewJS ​@Hello beautiful people! You can't resist so beautiful people. KingHerring ​can you comment on the n8n thread? and possibility of another software movement (fair source/fair software) mat5ch ​reread the sentence @Xah Lee BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee I don't use Discord. @mat5ch Now you hyped him up for nothing. 😂 mat5ch ​😀 Refurio Anachro ​Hi @Xah Lee KingHerring ​all you need to know about astronomy is Earth is flat :') Hello beautiful people! ​@KingHerring are stars flat too? 😃 ZitronCrazy ​@Xah Lee I want study astronomy but I need finish the school Daniel Langlois ​Hi. This message is held for review. KingHerring ​yeah "big dipper" might lead to porn BartholomewJS ​@KingHerring Wait, let me get my flerfspective glasses. alessivs ​The universe...what a concept BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee Talk Japanese. Daniel Langlois ​I thought the biggest Asian star was Fuji Heavy Industries. Daniel Langlois ​nvm that's car manufacturing. Justin Heyes-Jones ​@Xah Lee you pronounce "play dees" i think Joric ​regarding 40% - it's essentially Jian layout, it's like Corne but with an added key so you can type square brackets and international symbols without layers Justin Heyes-Jones ​it is part of orions belt BartholomewJS ​I only heard of Xabaru Hello beautiful people! ​@Xah Lee Sure I heard of Subaru. They are everywhere 😃 BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee You're asian. Go talk Japanese. BartholomewJS ​😂 Hello beautiful people! ​@Xah Lee I am from Czech Republic, Prague Justin Heyes-Jones ​at least you can read some japanese writing KingHerring ​nice @Hello beautiful people! . I am czech-american BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee You should make saying @Hello beautiful people! 's name your running gag. BartholomewJS ​@KingHerring ahoj Justin Heyes-Jones ​@Hello beautiful people! that looks like beautiful place Refurio Anachro ​fun bit Hello beautiful people! ​@KingHerring That's cool! Second generation? Hello beautiful people! ​@Justin Heyes-Jones I think it is beautiful 😃 Refurio Anachro ​Yes, you got it! ZitronCrazy ​@Xah Lee because I like astronomy and math and I want get much information and try to learn to write something KingHerring ​@Hello beautiful people! yes, my Czech is really bad though :( Hello beautiful people! ​@KingHerring well... my English is not perfect neither 😉 Refurio Anachro ​Anyone here knows eaglemode? Another weird ui experiment: new ways to use computers to do the old stuff 😃 KingHerring ​I don't like the purple Alan W ​agreed @KingHerring Hello beautiful people! ​@Xah Lee Yep. I liked the previous FF logo better too. KingHerring ​but the idea of orange/purple is constrast. good with color theory mat5ch ​i couldnt care less actually Alan W ​firey color before was perfectly fine KingHerring ​the Earth doesn't rotate Xah :') Justin Heyes-Jones ​When they change the icon it confuses me for a bit because i'm so used to the old one, but idc Refurio Anachro ​I was deeply impressed what Gerald Eichstädt did to the Juno data Justin Heyes-Jones ​Terrible First (and Second) Refurio Anachro ​Juno is a recent Jupiter mission, and Gerald wrote some software to associate to each pixel 3d coordinates on the planet's surface. That is for every color channel and everypixel. Refurio Anachro ​He's working with Sean Doran who is well known for editing video material from the iss, and he produces cool videos from gerald's data. Folks, check it out, search yt for it! Refurio Anachro ​I find these guys' work really impressive. There is some opensource code to do this kind of stuff, nasa does this, obviously... mat5ch ​@Refurio Anachro interesting stuff, thx BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee In Germany. mat5ch ​its in Hessen, rather in the centre of Germany @Xah Lee Refurio Anachro ​Have fun 😃 @ZitronCrazy try to connect to astro folks here on youtube. There's Fraser Cain's channel, which is quite a nice hub with lots of folks, amateurs, pros, and lurkers like me. Refurio Anachro ​There are many more cool channels, so keep looking. Freddy Freeman ​latex has its place, think documents with an enourmos amount of images Freddy Freeman ​i had to create aprotocol for with hundreds of microscope images and that wouldve been terrible with word, especially considering the amount of time that wouldve used to put the images in Hello beautiful people! ​@Xah Lee What exactly is wrong about Unix, Linux and C? Could you point out some bad practices that were taken over or bad influence? Freddy Freeman ​but also the prfomance issues Refurio Anachro ​Right, there's a live-preview for TeX in emacs %-D Freddy Freeman ​it wouldve truly been a pain with word, but in latex i just wrote a loop with table and inserted all the images 😃 Freddy Freeman ​@Xah Lee so it does make sense in some times Freddy Freeman ​but you wouldnt use it for simpledocument setting. Freddy Freeman ​also think of latex templates, my university has plenty so it is be very easy and effective to write sth with those for my academic stuff Refurio Anachro ​TeX is a terrible programming language BartholomewJS ​@Hello beautiful people! Using C is already a bad practice. Refurio Anachro ​But there aren't many alternatives if you prefer a source-code like way to edit math formulas. You know, so you can collaborate with git. Refurio Anachro ​I like C. I wouldn't write anything of importance in it though... /me ducks Refurio Anachro ​think of furious, and anachronism 😃 BartholomewJS ​@Refurio Anachro What's your favourite syntax type? Freddy Freeman ​@Xah Lee please consider the example of having hundres of images, wouldnt you agree inserting this in a document using a programatic way is much more effective ? word would crash and take forever todo Refurio Anachro ​I don't understand the question. What's a syntax type? BartholomewJS ​@Refurio Anachro Python syntax style (whitespace matters), C (infinite convolution und unreadability), etc.... Hello beautiful people! ​@xah lee did you tried Keymouse ? BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee He is verified. Because of his single sub. Refurio Anachro ​I don't know. I got verified during gplus times Hello beautiful people! ​@Xah Lee nope. I'm asking first time 😃 Refurio Anachro ​what's a single sub? Refurio Anachro ​I don't think pythons whitespace dependent syntax is a good idea. Hello beautiful people! ​@Xah Lee That's funny. I have it too. Hello beautiful people! ​@Xah Lee yep. It is pretty expensive. Freddy Freeman ​@Xah Lee why ignore me? 😞 named a real life example where latex made my life alot easier, but you seem to insist its useless Refurio Anachro ​I'm quite fond of ocaml, or any ML dialect for that matter. But I don't think its syntax is beautiful or so. Forth is kind of beatuful so is lisp. BartholomewJS ​@Freddy Freeman He is really blind. Nothing against you personally. Refurio Anachro ​Pfff BartholomewJS ​@Refurio Anachro Seems like you like what Xah hates. Refurio Anachro ​What's your favorite 'syntax style', @BartholomewJS? Refurio Anachro ​Yes, that makes our conversations so interesting. That, and a bit of effort to stay civil 😛 BartholomewJS ​@Refurio Anachro I was used to Java for a long time, it helped me learn to program with its extreme verbosity. Some time ago I learned to know Nim and now this is my favourite. Refurio Anachro ​There aren't many Nim programmers! BartholomewJS ​@Refurio Anachro And Nim made me see all the huge flaws in C/C++/Java based syntax, for example. BartholomewJS ​@Refurio Anachro Indeed, there needs to be more. Refurio Anachro ​Thanks, dunno about expert, but I'm a pro. BartholomewJS ​@Refurio Anachro Once you get used to Nim, Java or C++ code looks like a bunch of brackets and braces thrown in a pot, randomy. mat5ch ​i bought the book of dominik picheta but really didnt get into Nim yet @BartholomewJS mat5ch ​Nim in Action BartholomewJS ​@mat5ch Cool, I bought the book and was satisfied. Problem is, it gets more and more old. Some things changed already and there will be more probably. Freddy Freeman ​@Xah Lee yes, i had this situation before in my studies, i had hundreds of lab images to put in a protocol BartholomewJS ​@mat5ch Well, at least Nim 1.0 is already out. So at least some stability/consistency can be expected. Freddy Freeman ​@Xah Lee that was easy to do with latex BartholomewJS ​@mat5ch If you are interested in going deeper into Nim, we should converse off scream, as well. mat5ch ​i see @BartholomewJS Freddy Freeman ​@Xah Lee you are thinking of everyday document setting here, but latex has its advantages mat5ch ​ok Refurio Anachro ​LaTeX is simply too big Refurio Anachro ​Then again there's KaTeX, and it's a mess, too :^/ Refurio Anachro ​Re ask your mom: And yet, fascinatingly, a lot of students somehow manage to write LaTeX. Hello beautiful people! ​@Xah Lee You are using example with your parents being able to do something in Software as a measure of software quality. Refurio Anachro ​This seems like black magic to me, though. Hello beautiful people! ​@Xah Lee would you parents be able to edit text in Emacs? Refurio Anachro ​TeX is so old, maybe it should be considered undead. Zombie Textprocessing. BartholomewJS ​@Hello beautiful people! The reasons for that have a long story. You need to watch his screams about Unix philosophy. Oleg Vi ​just look at Gilles Castel, Latex and vim is comfortable ) Freddy Freeman ​obviously she would need to look it up since it is a language, then it is just one command Refurio Anachro ​@Hello beautiful people! My cat liked to write text in emacs... Hello beautiful people! ​@Refurio Anachro great cat then! 😀 Freddy Freeman ​as i said, it is not meant for everyday document setting is my point Refurio Anachro ​Heh, TeX is for folks who regularily need write. All mathematicians are writers. Refurio Anachro ​I don't think the comparison with 'your mom' is fair. Freddy Freeman ​you are completely missing the point here, think of doing some complicated typography in word or doing some huge tables with so many images in them Freddy Freeman ​no! i did not change, definitly not saying latex is the best Freddy Freeman ​but it does have its place Freddy Freeman ​that is all im saying Refurio Anachro ​I wouldn't say that TeX Refurio Anachro ​'s strength lies in images Дмитрий Иванов ​помоги мне пожалуйста Freddy Freeman ​@Refurio Anachro well it can be frustrating indeed to use, word is way more user friendly, but it is way better perfomance wise since all one is editing is text, but yea. noteverydayuse Refurio Anachro ​But _it is_ for everyday use, and not for the occasional user. Freddy Freeman ​@Xah Lee yes i agree, i wouldnt say word vs latex only one wins Oleg Vi ​@Дмитрий Иванов чем тебе помочь ? Refurio Anachro ​Don't be a fundamentalist. Oleg Vi ​@Xah Lee check Gilles Castel Refurio Anachro ​No, that's a misunderstanding Refurio Anachro ​I'm trying to agree: everybody: don't be fundamentalist Refurio Anachro ​The world isn't black&white Freddy Freeman ​@Xah Lee i get your point and agreed 😃 Refurio Anachro ​See y'all another time! Refurio Anachro ​Thanks everybody! Oleg Vi ​he is the math guy Oleg Vi ​and he is latex guy BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee Who cares about that unimportant crap? Refurio Anachro ​What's important? ZitronCrazy ​bye Xah mat5ch ​cu guys Freddy Freeman ​thanks cya BartholomewJS ​boink Refurio Anachro ​bye Hello beautiful people! ​bye Refurio Anachro ​That's such a nice nick, @Hello beautiful people! BartholomewJS ​@mat5ch What's your Github again? Xah Lee Say something... 0/200