-*- coding: utf-8 -*- BartholomewJS ​Greetings, everyone. Emily ​Laptop keyboards and phone ID stuff sounds v interesting Xah Lee ​hi Bart, hi @Emily Emily ​Hellooo Thomas Wall ​hello Emily ​How's it going Thomas? Thomas Wall ​perl 6 is now raku Thomas Wall ​good, thanks! you? Emily ​Pretty good today This message is held for review. BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee You should tattoo "HTTP Error Code 413" on your genitals. Xah Lee ​bart, what 413? BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee Yes Xah Lee ​oh , i get it. lol. i thought it's one of my web page BartholomewJS ​@all Nim fans: I just randomly found a language called MIN written in NIM! 🤣 Xah Lee ​dam bart, i thought u gonna do julia Xah Lee ​that's better BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee I have to finish Nim first. I prefer compiled over interpreted. Though I read, you can also compile Julia. Xah Lee ​@BartholomewJS what vid editing software you use? i need to learn basics. need to do that sometimes BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee *TRIGGERWARNING* Shotcut (open source) Xah Lee ​shuddap BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee If it makes you happy: years ago I used Windows Movie Maker. NOT open source. Xah Lee ​lol. i will never use windows vid editing app Xah Lee ​nor it's music player, movie player, office, etc BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee But Apple products are better? Freddy Freeman ​mmh maybe kdenliver.. open source, made by the kde folks 😉 Thomas Wall ​I find Mac to be too expensive and I'm not going to buy pre-owned Freddy Freeman ​and hello all 😀 BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee I'm no expert, but as far as I know, Apple has a million times less customization options than Windows... Xah Lee ​except, notepad sometimes. oh, and i seriously consider using vscode BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee You dropping a bomb there.. Freddy Freeman ​oh vscode is nice imo 😃 Freddy Freeman ​its got very good git integration BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee Why do you not use JetBrains. They have super expensive subscriptions. You should love it. Super anti-open source. Xah Lee ​me getting ready to go live ZitronCrazy ​Hey Xah Thomas Wall ​I use Ms paint as my Ide Freddy Freeman ​why dont u use ed? Freddy Freeman ​like any sane person Thomas Wall ​because I'm not sane Alan W ​Hola Welcome to live chat! Remember to guard your privacy and abide by our community guidelines. BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee We didn't see your first 10 seconds of the scream. BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee What do you think about Concatenative programming? Emily ​Its synced BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee I'm gonna spend more than that. BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee Maybe you show me how great Julia is after learning it and I will focus more on Julia mat5ch ​hola BartholomewJS ​@mat5ch Greetings Hello beautiful people! ​Hello everybody! Justin Heyes-Jones ​Hi All BartholomewJS ​@Hello beautiful people! BartholomewJS ​@Justin Heyes-Jones Greetings mat5ch ​Im gonna learn C then, C will never die xD @Xah Lee BartholomewJS ​@mat5ch Don't trigger me, there is a reason Cancer starts with the letter C... mat5ch ​😀 Justin Heyes-Jones ​I worked with a guy who loves Julia but we all ignored him mat5ch ​ur free to join the Linux crowd and make a change! @Xah Lee mat5ch ​can u actually explain what a monad is, in a few words? @Xah Lee Samuel Culpepper ​love this stream Justin Heyes-Jones ​Hi @Samuel Culpepper , me too BartholomewJS ​@Samuel Culpepper *scream Thomas Wall ​I program in JS and PHP, but Ruby is my fav language Samuel • ​lmao BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee Replace C++? I read Golang is super slow. League of Noobs ​it supports ooj? Hello beautiful people! ​@Xah Lee Topics I would like your opinions on: 8 : Justin Heyes-Jones ​Ruby has some nice things going for it Hello beautiful people! ​8 JavaScript loop, foreach with break. functional programing replacement, map foreach. but how do you break? in js, can use every/some BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee I don't remember exact numbers but Nim is sometimes over 120 times faster than Golang. Samuel • ​i like golang’s implementation of channels Alan W ​Node.js pretty good too? Justin Heyes-Jones ​The recent Go Time podcast called Creating the Go Programming Language, was really interesting Justin Heyes-Jones ​Featured Rob Pike and Robert Griesemer Samuel • ​sounds pretty sweet Samuel • ​ken thompson has had a profound impact on the development of that language Justin Heyes-Jones ​I recently wrote a cpu intensive program in Rust, Go and Ruby. Rust was the fastest, Go was twice as slow, Ruby was 20x slower Justin Heyes-Jones ​although i hate rust lol BartholomewJS ​@Justin Heyes-Jones Sounds reasonable. BartholomewJS ​@Justin Heyes-Jones More than C? Justin Heyes-Jones ​I didn't try C, but I do like it League of Noobs ​C is probably equivalent BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee Wanna test? BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee GO TEST IT YOURSELF BRAH BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee "GO" test it Justin Heyes-Jones ​C and Rust very similar Alan W ​fight fight fight! Justin Heyes-Jones ​speedwise BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee Make a benchmark. Justin Heyes-Jones ​i have the code online i'll find it lol BartholomewJS ​@Justin Heyes-Jones Speedwise, except Rust ist better. BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee Why is it simple? BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee I had to once debug a small part of Golang and had big problems. Emily ​What's a project that golang is used for? I've never heard of something that uses it BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee Do you wonder that a language created by Google is so popular? Come on Alan W ​I'm learning Golang now, coming from JavaScript + Python 😃 seems like a very good way to get into types, more functional programming, system things, etc. Justin Heyes-Jones ​@emily docker is a big one BartholomewJS ​@Emily It is a pretty nerdy hipster language. I have seen lots of open source projects written in Golang. @Xah Lee Damn you hipster. Samuel • ​@Emily Monzo is built with Go Justin Heyes-Jones ​My last job we used Go for part of a microservice Justin Heyes-Jones ​Basically the fast part Justin Heyes-Jones ​The rest was in Ruby mat5ch ​theres Godot mat5ch ​i konw of Alan W ​@BartholomewJS lolol emacs hipster editor Emily ​Oh cool, thanks :) BartholomewJS ​@Alan W Xah Lee hipster wants to use VSCode now. Justin Heyes-Jones ​Am I the only one that never heard of nim BartholomewJS ​@Emily Check out Micro editor by zyedidia. BartholomewJS ​@Emily Written in Golang. BartholomewJS ​@Emily Also Gitea. BartholomewJS ​@Emily Gotify. Alan W ​@BartholomewJS VSCode faster than regex-based syntax checking in emacs T.T #feelsbad This message is held for review. Samuel • ​oh shit and the main IPFS BartholomewJS ​All these programs I use. Justin Heyes-Jones ​@BartholomewJS I use Emacs a lot but I am also using Visual Code. double hipster lol League of Noobs ​as long as you dont work for nsa mat5ch ​oh wait, Godot is not written in Go but lets u write games in Go BartholomewJS ​@Justin Heyes-Jones Damn you hipster. Justin Heyes-Jones ​lol BartholomewJS ​@mat5ch If all programs would Go like that we wouldn't have any left. Ha Ha Ha Alan W ​I program with Microsoft and Google products so that they can program me as I use them Alan W ​😀 😀 😀 Alan W ​@Justin Heyes-Jones are you in web development type stuff? Justin Heyes-Jones ​day 14 of advent of code last year I wrote in ruby go and rust, so @xah can time it himself haha mat5ch ​lmao BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee If nobody uses you, do you have no value? Justin Heyes-Jones ​@Alan W I work for consultancy so work for different clients. mostly big companies building distributed systems Alan W ​@BartholomewJS are we going to cause Xah to make awkward comments about prostitution (the oldest profession)? Justin Heyes-Jones ​@Alan W I hope so lol BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee He already made awkward comments. But he could continue. Alan W ​@Justin Heyes-Jones is that a lot of Dev-Ops type of stuff? BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee says "I want to believe" Justin Heyes-Jones ​@Alan W no it's mostly system design and development Justin Heyes-Jones ​xah hates monads lol BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee Of all web languages, PHP is the one I had most problems with. mc read ​it's been like this over and over in the history ... the best technology almost never becomes the most popular Alan W ​@Justin Heyes-Jones does VSCode offer some advantages there that emacs doesn't? I have found emacs is pretty good for like C, Golang... but for web dev with all the new tools i use vscode mc read ​Ford was inferior to most if it's competitors .. Alan W ​@BartholomewJS maybe PHP has problems with u BartholomewJS ​@Alan W Maybe Alan W ​Tesla stock price rise;; may best tech become more popular >:D Justin Heyes-Jones ​@Alan W Not really it's just very fast and looks pretty. I prefer it as an IDE Wolf Face ​Every programmer has to keep in mind that customers don't pay for code, they pay for products Alan W ​@Justin Heyes-Jones yeah VS Code works great out of the box with all sorts of fonts, themes, etc.; emacs fonts can be pretty bad sometimes Justin Heyes-Jones ​@Alan W agree Emily ​A programming language just exists as a set of rules to write out and define an idea Daniel Langlois ​Hi! BartholomewJS ​@Daniel Langlois Greetings BartholomewJS ​@Emily In principle, yes. Hello beautiful people! ​@Xah Lee I would like to hear you talking about Javascript. Emily ​UK :D Hello beautiful people! ​@Xah Lee Born and live in Czech Rep. (And the pronunciation is like 'Check') Daniel Langlois ​Where Is Your Code!? Alan W ​All user interfaces aren't created equal?! can't they just be "different"? why does one have to be "better"? 😞 this is too redpilling for me BartholomewJS ​@Hello beautiful people! Greet Forbidden Society for me. mat5ch ​@Xah Lee all good. i just wanted to tease you a bit. im on a mac btw xD Daniel Langlois ​that time Richard Stallman went off on somebody for attending his child's birth instead of working on free code for emacs. Justin Heyes-Jones ​haha PajéMalQuisto ​How to deal with privacy in a Mac? Do you use iCloud and stuff? Alan W ​@PajéMalQuisto you can use monads to do that mat5ch ​its sort of a construct to deal with side effects mat5ch ​very briefly mat5ch ​but Justin might correct me or write a bit more Justin Heyes-Jones ​in pure functional programming language you need a way to sequence things together and monad gives you that Daniel Langlois ​Richard Stallman explained 'Why it is important not to have children' to somebody who got distracted from working on emacs because of baby's birth at hospital -- true story. Daniel Langlois ​in 1993 Justin Heyes-Jones ​best way is read this paper "Imperative functional programming" it is quite accessible BartholomewJS ​@Daniel Langlois Thanks for clearing up why Xah ended up being an Emacs freak. PajéMalQuisto ​@Alan W What is a monad? Justin Heyes-Jones ​Simon Peyton Jones and Philip Wadler, 1993 mat5ch ​ok, i have to delve into that again @Justin Heyes-Jones Alan W ​@PajéMalQuisto lol that is the question of the hour; just making a joke---monads are a thing used in functional programming, most famously with languages like Haskell. They solve all sorts of problems Alan W ​@Xah Lee if Joe Rogan offered you a joint (marijuana), would you smoke on air with him? PajéMalQuisto ​@Alan W I did know about the programming thing, lol. I thought it was some new paradigm for cloud storage, thanks! Alan W ​@Xah Lee u could beat Joe Rogan with ur brain, but Joe Rogan could beat u with Brazilian Jiu Jutsu Alan W ​bruh BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee According to your rules of Free Market, he is smarter than you, because he has way more views on his videos. Alan W ​@BartholomewJS u subversive communist, measuring all things in terms of the market BartholomewJS ​@Alan W I'm just paraphrasing Xah. 😀 Emily ​💜 Alan W ​lol @BartholomewJS ur Xah quoting is spot on; now we are getting more economic deconstruction Alan W ​did Xah just vape on air?! BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee So Gold has no value. Most Gold is hidden beneath the sea and it's too expensive to get out. BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee Didn't know Gold is worthless. PajéMalQuisto ​@Xah Lee You are very valuable to me, I learn a lot from you. BartholomewJS ​@PajéMalQuisto Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww Daniel Langlois ​gold is worthless, but everything is worthless. Does an object have an ontological property which is its 'value'? BartholomewJS ​@Daniel Langlois That is debated since ever. Daniel Langlois ​and yet it is simple Daniel Langlois ​you get some recent pull and open issue activity on xah-fly-keys. Of course I make my little contribution last March or somesuch! BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee I am trying to make compromises. Kathy H ​@Xah Lee if the value of people can be defined through one's relation with others, you are valuable to me😀 boi boi666 ​topic 17 Alan W ​did Xah just tell us to give up and embrace the surveillance state via smartphone?! mat5ch ​so many nice words 😃 BartholomewJS ​@Kathy H Greetings, nice to see you. Kathy H ​@BartholomewJS you too, thanks BartholomewJS ​"misguided" mat5ch ​JellyBean Gen mat5ch ​😀 Justin Heyes-Jones ​so i just ran the benchmark code i mentioned earlier. rust took 0.403s and go took 0.810s. Ruby was 6.253s mat5ch ​i actually kinda like her channel Justin Heyes-Jones ​i like joe rogan interview style BartholomewJS ​@Justin Heyes-Jones I wonder what Xah will comment about that. Justin Heyes-Jones ​@BartholomewJS 😸 Justin Heyes-Jones ​gotta say being 2x slower is not a big deal these days mat5ch ​why are we talking about kong fu again? xD BartholomewJS ​@Justin Heyes-Jones It is not, but it's nice to have something fast but also really simple and understandable, like Nim, for example. Emily ​Started with language barriers on idea 17 or something mat5ch ​ok 😃 Kathy H ​I watched all 徐晓东 interviews too, kind of relieved. Someone finally got the guts to shout "the emperor isn't wearing anything"... Justin Heyes-Jones ​@BartholomewJS i have to google nim after this 😀 BartholomewJS ​@Justin Heyes-Jones Don't know it yet? Damn you missed a life. BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee This intro fits you. Kathy H ​xah is high.. Justin Heyes-Jones ​he's not drinking beer it's sober october Justin Heyes-Jones ​now get mad at tim pool Emily ​Well that's a mood BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee The Julia project will participate in "Google Code In" 2019 Freddy Freeman ​unless its competitive poker 😉 BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee You are more of a blackjack or roulette guy. Hello beautiful people! ​@Xah Lee I tend to think so You just did not meet the 'right' people to have small talk with about things that interests you BartholomewJS ​@Hello beautiful people! Right BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee Wait until you meet me. Emily ​@xah thank you very much, another great talk, see you round tomorrow :D mat5ch ​cu @Xah Lee Freddy Freeman ​cool cool Justin Heyes-Jones ​@Xah Lee thanks dude Freddy Freeman ​nice cup btw Freddy Freeman ​@Xah Lee did you "hang out" in second life though? Hello beautiful people! ​@Xah Lee That happened to me too. I also meet people I have nothing to talk about. Think it is completely all right. Just move on : ) Kathy H ​thank you😎 Freddy Freeman ​yea cya next itme Freddy Freeman ​hahaha Hello beautiful people! ​@Xah Lee CU Kathy H ​great time tho BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee High af ZitronCrazy ​bye Xah BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee Program something when you are high and show us what you did Hello beautiful people! ​bye everybody 😉 Emily ​Byee Alan W ​like n subscribe! Alan W ​bye! Freddy Freeman ​bye 😃 Wolf Face ​bye Xah Lee Say something... 0/200