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BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee Still, CMS.

cool4skull
​@Xah Club

Xah Lee
​guys, i go run errand.

Xah Lee
​be back in 15 min. so 10 min late.

Xah Lee
​pick a topic!

Freddy Freeman
​ergonomic mouse?

Ronnie Holm
​Rust vs go

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee Picked topic hours ago.

Xah Lee
​back!

Xah Lee
​start in 3 min. i restart browser stuff

Hello beautiful people!
​Hello @Xah Lee , Hello everybody!

BartholomewJS
​@Hello beautiful people!
Welcome to live chat! Remember to guard your privacy and abide by our community guidelines.

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee Alive.

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee Yesterday, someone said you should talk about CMS vs. self-made.

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee I agreed with their suggestion.

Liam W
​hello

BartholomewJS
​@Liam W Greetings

Alan W
​helllllllllllllllllllllo

BartholomewJS
​@Alan W Greetings

BartholomewJS
​Are you brothers? Both your surnames are "W".

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Alan W
​@BartholomewJS r u racist?

Alan W
​jk lol

Alan W
​I started watching the Bjarne video before this stream

BartholomewJS
​@Alan W Ah now I see your censored joke in the scream.

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee CMS vs. self-made.

Hello beautiful people!
​@Xah Lee I was on Bjorn Soustrup presentation. It was really boring. I left early.

Freddy Freeman
​haha he doesnt seem like an entertainer ^^

Alan W
​@Hello beautiful people! Bjoring presentation

Troy Fletcher
​How would you define CMS? What qualifies and what doesnt?

Alan W
​probably to deep dive into more technical topics with Soustrup would be more interesting than general topics

Alan W
​Xah has superior rants

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee Your websites scream that you don't use any CMS.

Liam W
​London

Alan W
​@Xah Lee yeah from Sacramento; where rent is cheaper than in the bay area

Alan W
​and government supervision is everywhere 😛

BartholomewJS
​@

BartholomewJS
​@Alan W Skynet

wise wise
​سشمثا بقخو ثلغحف

wise wise
​sh, aleh from egypt

Troy Fletcher
​That's me!

Alan W
​@wise wise how were the pyramids made?

Troy Fletcher
​Feeling a little called out 😀

Troy Fletcher
​Yes, the latest is the Signum 3

Troy Fletcher
​Next (last) version is in progress

Hello beautiful people!
​@Troy Fletcher That's you? That is awesome! I watched your videos... really nice!

Troy Fletcher
​ahh, not at the moment, I'm out of stock!

Alan W
​wow! cool looking keyboards

Troy Fletcher
​Yeah, I used some minimal javascript to generate the grid of articles

Troy Fletcher
​SA profile corner keys

Troy Fletcher
​Re-Brain an old AT101 😀

Troy Fletcher
​Only had one of those 😀 not very popular

Alan W
​Drupal is like a whole software suite I think

Alan W
​so non-programmers and ppl can add content, blogs, etc.

Alan W
​and then developer people can adjust settings, optmize, blah blah

Liam W
​django is python

Alan W
​Django is a similar sort of thing: Python backend, spits out HTMLs and stuff

Alan W
​Millennial coder way is use Node.js and write all the boilerplate yourself, rather than using CMS

Troy Fletcher
​@Alan W ha!

Alan W
​@Xah Lee Astronauts might look like babies in diapers, but where r u gonna pee and poo if ur floating in space?

Alan W
​it is very practical

ZitronCrazy
​hey Xah

Alan W
​@Xah Lee is your website all static pages? Do you do any server side code for it?

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee Make a xah-fly-server framework for website hosting.

Emily
​Hello all :D

BartholomewJS
​@Emily Greetings.

Alan W
​@Emily we are talking about peeing and pooing in space

Alan W
​inspired by great logos

Alan W
​@Xah Lee it is probably much cheaper to have all static content, rather than running some fancy backend, no?

Emily
​I see.... Of course....

Alan W
​you have probably heard of "Static Site Generators" like Gatsby (React/JS), Hugo (golang), Jekyll,...

Alan W
​the xah system could probably be thought of as a kind of static site generator

BartholomewJS
​@Alan W I used Hugo but then it was too fiddly for me and I ended up using Wordpress.

Alan W
​@BartholomewJS do you do much actual coding of the web stuff now? Or mostly just writing prose/content/etc

Alan W
​now that u use wordpress

BartholomewJS
​@Alan W My goal was to make me spend less time on how the website works and spend more time on content. This turned out to be a successful approach, so far.

Alan W
​@Xah Lee Sam Harris would approve of your opposition to extremism. Extreme programming.

Alan W
​i tip my fedora to u

BartholomewJS
​@Alan W i.e. Right now I don't do any coding on Wordpress. I had to so some configuration, but I am done now and I think I don't need to do any "behind the scenes" stuff, from now on.

Alan W
​@BartholomewJS yeah makes sense; for most people doing a blog on keyboards, or pet dogs or whatever, wordpress does it

Alan W
​maybe just do some custom styling and stuff (CSS and whatnot)

Alan W
​but no need to fiddle with MySQL or anything

BartholomewJS
​@Alan W Okay, the only thing missing is embedding Github content right into the page. Once that is done, the website is ready for a long journy.

Alan W
​can't you do those Github gists and stuff, copy-pasted HTML snippets or something?

BartholomewJS
​@Alan W With Hugo there was the issue that you pretty much either have to use a super common and super maintained theme, which I did not like.

BartholomewJS
​@Alan W Or you use a less known theme but if you want to change or keep it up-to-date then you need some JavaScript and general webhosting knowledge.

Hello beautiful people!
​@Xah Lee the noise is ok. Don't worry about it 😃

BartholomewJS
​@Alan W Which I don't have and at the time I was using Hugo, I wasn't involved in JavaScript, at all, so that was another hurdle for me.

Troy Fletcher
​Can you talk more about your personal emacs CMS? Do you use external plugins for this?

BartholomewJS
​@Alan W I just don't like front-end so much. The only thing that comes to my mind for what I would use JavaScript is: 1. webUIs for backend related stats. 2. Plugins for e.g. Nextcloud.

Alan W
$5.00

the sound of... money $$$

wise wise
​you were searching for the programs

Alan W
​keep up the good work Xah

Hello beautiful people!
​@Xah Lee "I am your boss, i do not know waht are you doing. I just manage you....'

wise wise
​that run the wiki

Troy Fletcher
​Ha!

Alan W
​I think agile n stuff really inhibits good coders too

Alan W
​because they don't want to explain everything all day

Alan W
​productive people are often proud of their code and want to take ownership of it

Alan W
​u r right here

Troy Fletcher
​It's all wizard words and magic spells

Alan W
​@Xah Lee the "hacker cult" philosophy is married with pop psychology; they have overlap in how they talk about people, society, and systems with VOODOO terms as dogma

Troy Fletcher
​All I see is churn and long billable hours

Alan W
​@Troy Fletcher shhhhhh

Alan W
​the HR ppl didn't hire u to reveal that

Alan W
​Internet Historian @Xah Lee ; this is y you mirror all the external links

BartholomewJS
​Xah Lee says someone is "weird". I think we cannot fathom how weird this person must be.

Alan W
​@BartholomewJS though Xah probably has a relatively non-customized, vanilla keyboard compared to many in the audience here;; not even thaaat weird

Hello beautiful people!
​@Xah Lee ever heard about 'mob programming'?

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee You want someone to be fired just because they caused a bug?

League of Noobs
​bugs are often created by the short time range given by the project manager

Hello beautiful people!
​I kinda agree. If you find the bug. The right thing is to fix it first.

Troy Fletcher
​I think it's more about the inherent unaccountability built into the system

Alan W
​`git blame ....`

Troy Fletcher
​The pair programming has the side effect of distributing blame too.

Alan W
​*holds up mirror to self*

Alan W
​lol pair programming immunizes against git blame! because others' ideas can be paired with ur git user

Alan W
​@Xah Lee u can write (history of (history of wikis))

Troy Fletcher
​Bye @Xah Lee ! I gotta head home (east coast), I'll catch the replay later!

Alan W
​as they delete/edit content and obscure the truth

League of Noobs
​xah is going deep

Alan W
​@Xah Lee can you contrast Wikipedia style of knowledge documenting vs the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy style (e.g. crowd sourcing vs having single author, expert-sourced pages)

Justin Heyes-Jones
​for me after blogger came github pages

Justin Heyes-Jones
​jekyll is one, it is used on github pages

Alan W
​Gatbsy JS, Hugo

Nicole E
​xah, check out stormkit - you can easily deploy static sites for free!

wise wise
​Charles Babbage

Alan W
​lolol at Xah disclaimer

Freddy Freeman
​AGREED

Freddy Freeman
​woops caps

Hello beautiful people!
​some-random-statement

Hello beautiful people!
​oops cebap-case

Hello beautiful people!
​😂

Freddy Freeman
​niceOne

Freddy Freeman
​😀

wise wise
​thank u

Alan W
​great show---cya!

Liam W
​bye, thanks for the stream

wise wise
​bye

Hello beautiful people!
​bye everyone!

Freddy Freeman
​cya

Xah Lee
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