-*- coding: utf-8 -*- BartholomewJS ​Greetings. Alan W ​hey there! BartholomewJS ​@Alan W Greetings! Xah Lee ​hey guys. Xah Lee ​for the elisp, should i start from scratch or modify existing code? Xah Lee ​type here to vote. Xah Lee ​i think start from scratch is better BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee Modify existing scratch. Xah Lee ​hey Bart. i think we gonna do elisp in first 20 min. 😀 Welcome to live chat! Remember to guard your privacy and abide by our community guidelines. BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee You want me off here, I see. Xah Lee ​lol. stop saying bullshit BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee Let's do another jitsi, this weekend . Xah Lee ​ok. possibly we'll do 10 min in the end today Xah Lee ​the audio from guest was crap. Xah Lee ​like, barely audible BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee I don't know if I can do it today, but if we do it on weekend, I will have time and you have time until weekend to fix audio issues. MAT5CH ​hey there MAT5CH ​another emacs scream, hm Xah Lee ​actually Bart, we can do jitsi offline. but you need to get chaaass to discord so we can coordinate to start BartholomewJS ​@MAT5CH Greetings. 😀 MAT5CH ​hey Bart Alan W ​hi @MAT5CH MAT5CH ​lol This message is held for review. BartholomewJS ​muh ass? Wait, I buy donkey... @Xah Lee MAT5CH ​yo Alan, everything fine with your arch install? BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee alive. Dan Morris ​Hello. Paulo Elienay ​hi Kathy H ​Hi all This message is held for review. BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee That was a p**sy in paper. Paulo Elienay ​I was looking for Japanese keycaps today. Its kinda annoying typing in Japanese without helpers Alan W ​@MAT5CH I had to specify "linux" and "linux-firmware" packages; pacstrap didn't do this automatically with base + base-devel install for whatever reason Alan W ​so I spent some good time staring at the grub prompt and trying to figure out what went wrong Alan W ​but in the end i got a system up n running 😃 MAT5CH ​grats to that 😀 Alan W ​i don't understending UEFI and all these new fancy partitioning schemas Paulo Elienay ​Linux and Linux-firmware are on the Arch wiki Alan W ​just doing a dumb old school style setup 😀 MAT5CH ​do u use a tiling window manager? Paulo Elienay ​I think they put base linux Linux-firmware and something else Alan W ​@Paulo Elienay in the past I installed arch successfully just doing the base pkg, so it was a little confusing Alan W ​yeah I use the meme Luke Smith LARBS @MAT5CH Alan W ​i'm still on i3 though MAT5CH ​hehe Alan W ​not being a super edge-lord yet This message is held for review. MAT5CH ​yeah, i saw he uses bspwm now Paulo Elienay ​That's weird. I saw the Luke video installing those packages and it's from 2017 or 2016 Paulo Elienay ​and the video +* Alan W ​I basically wrote out a transcription for Luke's video to guide me in arch installs and used it successfully just doing `pacstrap base base-devel neovim` Alan W ​or whatever editor u like Alan W ​just shows us why install scripts are useful 😕 MAT5CH ​ah i c Paulo Elienay ​Well everything's working and that all that matters Alan W ​"just werks" 😀 Paulo Elienay ​Don't forget to set users and wheel properly MAT5CH ​i spent the last few days setting up void linux on my old macbook pro 😀 MAT5CH ​just to try things out Paulo Elienay ​I'm using Arch because that's unironically the only distro that just works for me and never crashes Alan W ​yeah apple hates linux install Alan W ​lol @Paulo Elienay i was dealing with a windows line ending issue with source control Alan W ​and I unironically booted up arch to solve the problem Alan W ​it really does do the job eaiser sometimes Paulo Elienay ​using Arch (or the repair live disk) is also the best way to install Gentlk Paulo Elienay ​Gentoo* Alan W ​@Xah Lee do you ever write bash scripts? Or basically never have to because you do elisp? Paulo Elienay ​Emacs looks like the endgame for every programmer MAT5CH ​good question. i would like to see some bash scripting Alan W ​Internet imperialist Xah force converts files to his cult religion Paulo Elienay ​Is Emacs Lisp just as efficient as bash scripts? Alan W ​I've been oscillating between diving deeper into emacs or doing more (neo)vim and using UNIX philosophy and learning a whole bunch of small programs Alan W ​like... dired is pretty cool; but if learning a vim-like file manager is not so bad BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee Recently, I read that Pearl is very slow except for String manipulation, which is the thing it is made for and therefore fast. Paulo Elienay ​I use to use ranger but not I'm using dired Alan W ​eshell default shell?!?!?!??!?! Alan W ​yeah emacs has lots of things nicely set up: org mode, dired, ...; it is easier than config'ing a bunch of UNIX programs BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee Python is slow. Alan W ​@Xah Lee has not set positive things about Perl in a long time Alan W ​i am amazed Alan W ​😀 😀 😀 Alan W ​*said Paulo Elienay ​I saw people recommending dash for bash scripts that you use a lot Alan W ​@BartholomewJS is slow to join Discord BartholomewJS ​@Alan W 👍 Though not as slow as Xah joining Linux. Dan Morris ​lol, too many questions there hahaha. Paulo Elienay ​I still don't know why doesn't use Linux and Org-mode :^) Alan W ​xah bash tutorial: "try not to use bash" Dan Morris ​@Xah Lee How you control the web browser from emacs ? Alan W ​xah-disorganized mode is better than org Alan W ​@Dan Morris he has emacs scripts to launch all the browsers Paulo Elienay ​I'm only using xah-math Dan Morris ​@Xah Lee Do you know Next Browser from Atlas-Engineer? Dan Morris ​@Alan W I mean controlling == browsing the web from inside emacs... Paulo Elienay ​Ei Dan te vi no grupo Emacs Brasil Dan Morris ​Hello @Paulo Elienay , I'm one of the admins from @emacs_en on Telegram... Dan Morris ​But plz @Paulo Elienay , write in English here. :) Paulo Elienay ​Yeah I just found it funny to see a Brazilian here. I saw you on a stream from some time ago Alan W ​@Xah Lee font size is ok for me MAT5CH ​im note here to learn elisp, im sorry xD BartholomewJS ​@MAT5CH Same. Alan W ​^ lol honest ppl BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee The prophecy tells me, there will be a civil war between Emacs fans and everyone else that is a member of the Xah cult. Justin Heyes-Jones ​elisp f4evar Alan W ​@Xah Lee do a warm color; alice blue looks almost the same BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee To prevent war, and promote peace, you should finally switch to VS Code and you will rescue the people and prevent a war. Alan W ​nit pick nit pick! MAT5CH ​@BartholomewJS lmao Justin Heyes-Jones ​i'm using emacs and vs code. internal conflict Alan W ​ii think if xah really wrote xah fly keys for vs code Alan W ​it would b over BartholomewJS ​@Justin Heyes-Jones Don't make your head explode. Alan W ​@Justin Heyes-Jones what sorts of key mappings do u use? BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee Port xah-fly-keys to VS Code. Justin Heyes-Jones ​mostly i use the default keymaps Alan W ​even emacs defaults?!?? Justin Heyes-Jones ​like pretty much all the default navigation keys and if i wanna run a command i usually do it by name using autocomplete and history Paulo Elienay ​where can I find Xah's discord? Alan W ​there is a link to the discord Dan Morris ​@Paulo Elienay Search on his website. Dan Morris ​@Paulo Elienay BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee You have to do it to prevent the war in your cult. Paulo Elienay ​Is it possible? Is VS Code just as powerful as Emacs? Dan Morris ​vscode 😂😂 Justin Heyes-Jones ​@Paulo Elienay i think emacs is much more powerful as in you can directly extend it with code Dan Morris ​vs code is a joke for Emacs ppl. BartholomewJS ​@Dan Morris Emacs is a joke to normal people. Justin Heyes-Jones ​@Dan Morris not this emacs person, i like it Paulo Elienay ​I used VS Code (Javascript) and Vim until Emacs. Don't know much about it though Alan W ​@BartholomewJS normal people are a joke for emacs ppl BartholomewJS ​@Alan W Normal people are a joke to me. Alan W ​🤡 Justin Heyes-Jones ​@BartholomewJS lmao Alan W ​amazing Alan W ​@Xah Lee the living web framework MAT5CH ​👏 Alan W ​@Xah Lee in real life, is your normal workflow more copy/pasting from older code? Less stuff from scratch? How would you compare? Paulo Elienay ​You can disable that with a flag Alan W ​sounds like xah might like non-interactive BASH scripts Alan W ​"JUST DO IT" <- product placement MAT5CH ​JUST RUN IT This message is held for review. MAT5CH ​and stfu Paulo Elienay ​I use alias i="sudo pacman --color always --noconfirm S" so I don't have to accept anything. Every Linux distro has this option Alan W ​@Xah Lee does your ideal work flow have NO open terminals, entering text commands? Dan Morris ​@Xah Lee What's the best way to browse the web within emacs ? Alan W ​lol look at hostname MAT5CH ​yeah lol Alan W ​xah just proved that terminal is inefficient Alan W ​omg Alan W ​that was set up Alan W ​@Xah Lee explain your machine's hostname Alan W ​old school diy deploy! 😲 Dan Morris ​lol, it's magically 😃 Alan W ​nice coding today! @Xah Lee stuff werks Alan W ​terminal not working supports meta point Alan W ​anti terminal position Dan Morris ​@Xah Lee Can you show us doing some heavy processing within emacs ? Dan Morris ​For example, processing a large file inside emacs. gol gol ​can I programme on surface m3?? Alan W ​@Xah Lee Perogi is like central/east european dumpling; similar idea Paulo Elienay ​bye Alan W ​👋 Dan Morris ​Bye! Alan W ​$100 is the price for vscode fly keys Alan W ​now we know 😀 Dan Morris ​😂 vs code; BartholomewJS ​@Dan Morris What's worse: VS Code or someone who doesn't know that he is a huge Emacs fanbody? 😂 BartholomewJS ​*fanboy Xah Lee Say something... 0/200