-*- coding: utf-8 -*- Xah Lee ​omg Xah Lee ​nobody here Xah Lee ​start in a few Alan W ​🏃 Xah Lee ​i think i need to reschedule Xah Lee ​50 min late Xah Lee ​so, noon sf time Alan W ​the ppl r arriving though Alan W ​the spice must flow Alan W ​u already did your laundry yesterday lol Xah Lee ​oh ok Xah Lee ​then in 10 min Alan W ​😲 😲 😲 Xah Lee ​need to finish shit n prepare Xah Lee ​ok, hold on guys. in 10 min. Xah Lee ​gawd what a rush, a lot things to do Xah Lee ​almost here Xah Lee ​5 more min This message is held for review. Alan W ​wkwkwkwkwk Daniel Langlois ​I won money yesterday playing Poker, get excited. I'm just sayin'.. Daniel Langlois ​The sleeper must awaken. Alan W ​@Daniel Langlois at a casino? with friends? Daniel Langlois ​Online. Alan W ​ooh my! how are the web intefaces/overall experience for that? Daniel Langlois ​can play on your cell phone, this could turn into .. a thing .. This message is held for review. Alan W ​ohayou gozaimasu Welcome to live chat! Remember to guard your privacy and abide by our community guidelines. Liokardo ​You are live. Alan W ​are we gonna talk about how bash install scripts are st00pid? 😞 Alan W ​molasses monadses Alan W ​@Xah Lee BOOTSTRAP ARCH INSTALL WITH SENSIBLE DFEAULTS Alan W ​then customize from there Alan W ​^ basic rationale for using LARBS Liokardo ​wrong page Liokardo ​Luke Smith does not work at bungie Liokardo ​Twitter Luke Smith is not linux Luke Smith. Alan W ​big braned Liokardo ​minimalism he talks about Alan W ​ARCH enemy? @Xah Lee FichDichInDemArsch ​Hello, folks! FichDichInDemArsch ​Hello, Xah. Alan W ​'ello 😃 FichDichInDemArsch ​Yup. That's the whole point of Arch Linux. boi boi666 ​btw, I use bspwm Alan W ​@Xah Lee is hacker community gatekeeper 🤔 Daniel Langlois ​I use windows. I guess I'm not a hacker. Alan W ​Windows is the gateway drug to tiling windows manager FichDichInDemArsch ​@Alan W Hahaha! Alan W ​@Xah Lee using larbs is like xah fly keys for your whole OS Daniel Langlois ​it's useless garbage that nobody needs and that doesn't fix any problems, but you GO through PAIN. Alan W ​LARBS fly OS Daniel Langlois ​- Fancy Zones, a tiling window manager from Microsoft. Alan W ​ooh haven't heard of that one; may have to check out Daniel Langlois ​2020 will be the year of 'Windows on the desktop'. Alan W ​watch xah move windows without tiling windows FichDichInDemArsch ​Does anybody know what that icon is on the dashboard? Just above the QuickTime icon? Alan W ​yeah that's the streaming software Alan W ​OBS i think Alan W ​Open Broadcaster Software FichDichInDemArsch ​@Alan W Yeah, that's what I deduced.. didn't know the name - will check it out. Thanks! Alan W ​Japanese Alan W ​we r based in reality Alan W ​BASED like tiling window FichDichInDemArsch ​Yup, you are correct, @Alan W Liokardo ​Luke got tired of installing Arch Linux manually everytime. FichDichInDemArsch ​That's Elvish (Tengwar), right? FichDichInDemArsch ​Yeah, I used to invent my own languages when I was a kid - such fun! FichDichInDemArsch ​As I grow older, I have to fight to keep my childlike enthusiasm 😃 BartholomewJS ​Greetings. FichDichInDemArsch ​Dobre Pozhalovat', Bart Maciej Wojtowicz ​Have you heard of the browser called 'Next browser'. Great concept in my opinion. I am just curious what you think of it. Freddy Freeman ​hello all! FichDichInDemArsch ​@Maciej Wojtowicz I have tried it out... nice, but very slow and needs a ton more work. FichDichInDemArsch ​It's by J Mercouris from the Common Lisp community, right? Maciej Wojtowicz ​agree :). But very promising. FichDichInDemArsch ​Hola, Freddy. FichDichInDemArsch ​True that @Maciej Wojtowicz FichDichInDemArsch ​My favourite natual language is the "Taa" language - it's surreal. Freddy Freeman ​@FichDichInDemArsch why? Alan W ​@BartholomewJS what OS do u use? BartholomewJS ​@Alan W For? Alan W ​ermm whatever, just generally Alan W ​I am ex-MacOS, now Windows + Arch + Ubuntu flavors depending where I am Alan W ​I have read Lord of the Rings @Xah Lee Alan W ​this was back in grade school days BartholomewJS ​@Alan W I sometimes play games, so I need to use Windows. But generally I use Debian and DietPi (based on Debian). Freddy Freeman ​@Xah Lee yes, and loved the series boi boi666 ​I've tried to read The Hobbit Alan W ​the movies were really popular so I wanted to see if "the book was better" as insufferable nerds will always say Alan W ​DietPi is a Raspberry pi os? Alan W ​yeah I read hobbit + 3 volumnes Alan W ​no not graduate school---grade school is K-12 BartholomewJS ​@Alan W It began as an SBC OS but now it basically covers everything from normal desktop, to VM. FichDichInDemArsch ​Yeah, I found the whole LoTR series extremely bland and quite unimaginative - it was all the rage when I was in university. Alan W ​in grad school i just read pop psychology, non-fiction, and some weeb stuff Freddy Freeman ​@Xah Lee keep in mind that the hobbit is intended as childrens book boi boi666 ​there's a translation made by Israeli fighter pilots while in Egyptian captivity BartholomewJS ​@Alan W Weeb, aka Hentai. 😏 Alan W ​You aren't a big nerd unless you look like the LARBS logo Alan W ​xah u r a little nerd FichDichInDemArsch ​esr is quite controversial too Alan W ​lol @BartholomewJS practically---like Murakami Haruki stuff FichDichInDemArsch ​Homesteading the Noosphere, The Cathedral and the bazaar, The Tao of programming et al.. nice reads FichDichInDemArsch ​And oh yeah, the hacker lexicon Alan W ​Paul Graham, ESR, Joel on Software, ...even RMS FichDichInDemArsch ​Aha, from the Game of Life Alan W ​good reads to jog the mind FichDichInDemArsch ​@Alan W Ah, the memories! FichDichInDemArsch ​@boi boi666 Can you speak Hebrew? Alan W ​I forgot how I originally came upon those things... I think it was through reserching how to do something in linux Alan W ​and someone mentioned the Art of Unix Programming FichDichInDemArsch ​Aha Alan W ​@Xah Lee u be gossiping about Rihanna and Game of Thrones boi boi666 ​yes FichDichInDemArsch ​@boi boi666 Nice... been interested in learning MIH, but find the general pronunciation a bit... atrocious. Tried finding the Yemeni style (which I like), but getting resources is extremely difficult. Daniel Langlois ​The problem with Game of Thrones is the bizarre and horrible last season. But I mean the TV show. FichDichInDemArsch ​People claim that Tolkien was influenced by Old English and Old Germanic, but I suspect that the Celtic languages had a bigger role the way those languages ended up... boi boi666 ​gesseniu's Hebrew grammar is a good resource for biblical Hebrew but is very technical FichDichInDemArsch ​@boi boi666 Interesting resource ... and fully available in Wikipedia. Thanks! I have the alphabet down pat, but not the nikkudot (sic) FichDichInDemArsch ​Thanks for sharing the resource! boi boi666 ​modern Hebrew is similar but has a different word order and is more analitical FichDichInDemArsch ​@boi boi666 That's what I read as well... uses of particles like "shel" instead of the genitive case, right? I am torn between Biblical Hebrew and MIH, but will probably find MIH more useful. FichDichInDemArsch ​Is it easy enough to transition to Biblical from MIH (with effort, of course)? boi boi666 ​they are mutually intelligible Alan W ​you all taking shots everytime xah has to enable JS? FichDichInDemArsch ​Hmmm... that should help out a lot then! @boi boi666 boi boi666 ​a comparison is modern English and Shakespearean English FichDichInDemArsch ​Ah, okay. That makes sense. So quite a bit of the words and metaphors would have changed meaning, but should not be insurmountable, right? boi boi666 ​you have to learn Bibel in Israeli schools so most people should know the metaphors FichDichInDemArsch ​The runic language was that of the old dwarves, right? FichDichInDemArsch ​@boi boi666 Right... so that's an advantage that I unfortunately don't have! 😃 ... so maybe I will do MIH first, and then see about Biblical, if needed. FichDichInDemArsch ​Thanks, mate. That's been very helpful to me! FichDichInDemArsch ​Hell, Tengwar also kind of resembles the old Gaelic script boi boi666 ​modern Hebrew usually uses "shel" for genetives and the construct (it's not a case) for compounds BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee The left one is better. BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee I don't like staggered keys. I don't know why so many wannabe ergo people still use staggered. Liokardo ​@Xah Lee What could have made Unix better? FichDichInDemArsch ​@boi boi666 Indeed. So Biblical would be more conservative in its grammar whereas MIH is more analytic as you said... interesting. Liokardo ​Burzum means darkness in one of Tolkiens languages i think BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee I like blocks, cubes, squares, etc. BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee I don't like swifly stuff. Daniel Rafaj ​What is your opinion about latest performance of Emacs ? FichDichInDemArsch ​Man, Xah is really enjoying himself! 😂 BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee A picture shows more than a thousand JSONs. Alan W ​@Xah Lee tiling window manager easily "keymapping" apps: put one full screen app on each "tag", press +[1-9] (or however you have things set up) and jump between apps at a high speed Alan W ​selecting windows is a "discrete" event, which doesn't really benefit from mouse selection; better to have keys to switch windows Alan W ​on the other hand, a mouse might be better for things like resizing windows.... but you don't really need that with tiling (though you can do it) FichDichInDemArsch ​I reallt like the minimalism of i3, but macOS unfortunately does not support good tiling managers. Xah Lee ​http://xahlee.info/kbd/trackball_inde... boi boi666 ​Xwindows was a good solution in the time (limited video ram and not using direct access to the video chip) FichDichInDemArsch ​Anybody here use NixOS? Tried it in a VM, but downloading dependencies (specifically, nix-rebuild switch) works terribly slowly. boi boi666 ​Xah Lee. what do you think about Wayland? Daniel Rafaj ​@FichDichInDemArsch I am using nixos, it should just take cached binaries. What are you making special ? FichDichInDemArsch ​@Daniel Rafaj That's what the manual says too - my config is nothing special - basic config with just a few tools enabled (vim, git, firefox etc), and rebuild takes around 3 minutes on average. FichDichInDemArsch ​Is this normal? Daniel Rafaj ​@FichDichInDemArsch does it happen everytime when you run nixos ? what channels are you using ? Daniel Rafaj ​@FichDichInDemArsch nixos-rebuild switch * that is. FichDichInDemArsch ​@Daniel Rafaj Yup... that's why I uninstalled it. I am just a newbie with NixOS.. maybe the default channel? (I didn't set up a channel explicitly). FichDichInDemArsch ​It's in Common Lisp, @Xah Lee Daniel Rafaj ​@FichDichInDemArsch If you didn't change it it is the stable channel which was active when you installed it. I haven't runned nixos on VM so I am not sure but mostly it takes everything cached. FichDichInDemArsch ​Yes, that makes sense... must be the stable channel. Let me bump up the VM settings and test it out again! 😃 @Daniel Rafaj Daniel Rafaj ​@FichDichInDemArsch also important note is that you don't need to restart computer when you run nixos-rebuild switch as well as you can just leave it running in the background and don't worry about it FichDichInDemArsch ​Yes... that part works quite nicely indeed! I am very tempted to get a Linux machine next time and install it natively (on macOS for now)... it really is a very interesting concept! FichDichInDemArsch ​Xah destroying my teenage years 😂 Daniel Rafaj ​@FichDichInDemArsch Initial install takes some time but every other update takes quite little amount of time. There is only pain if you patch programs, then it needs to rebuild them. Xing Tu ​inconsequential? Daniel Rafaj ​@FichDichInDemArsch Yea, Nixos has some rough edges but I am so sold on idea of it. There is also nice projects like FichDichInDemArsch ​@Daniel Rafaj Hmmm... interesting. Also one more thing - the official manuals are quite good, but they seem a bit overwhelming... any alternate resources you would recommend? FichDichInDemArsch ​I also tried GuixSD, liked the Scheme-like configuration style, but NixOS seems more established... MAT5CH ​@Xah Lee make another 30min MAT5CH ​xD MAT5CH ​hey all Liokardo ​hi hi FichDichInDemArsch ​Ahoj, @MAT5CH BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee You are right about X. Daniel Rafaj ​@FichDichInDemArsch nixos has terrible documentation. FichDichInDemArsch ​Hahaha @Daniel Rafaj ... that makes me feel a bit better! Liokardo ​about X, mouse acceleration is limited Daniel Rafaj ​@FichDichInDemArsch are you slovak ? 😀 FichDichInDemArsch ​See you next time, @Xah! BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee Let's talk tomorrow. FichDichInDemArsch ​@Daniel Rafaj hahaha.. no no, just fool around with languages! 😀 MAT5CH ​😕 MAT5CH ​bye then FichDichInDemArsch ​What time tomorrow? Liokardo ​Stream ended 26 seconds ago. BartholomewJS ​@Liokardo But he is still in the chat. FichDichInDemArsch ​I always miss these streams because of the random timings Daniel Rafaj ​@FichDichInDemArsch because you hit my language 😀 Liokardo ​yeah, i noticed the long delay Xah Lee ​i think the chat will not show when the stream ended. when youtube shows the stream FichDichInDemArsch ​Aha! Dobre den? BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee Let's talk tomorrow. Xah Lee ​tomorrow, maybe 10 or 11 sf time. similar to now Daniel Rafaj ​@FichDichInDemArsch almost, Dobre si trafil. FichDichInDemArsch ​Okay, that time sounds good, @Xah Lee Xah Lee ​live chat , am not sure. let's see @BartholomewJS FichDichInDemArsch ​Wow, that's quite different from other Slavic languages, @Daniel Rafaj . Interesting! BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee Think of topic to discuss for live chat. Anything, except Emacs. BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee Just do it. FichDichInDemArsch ​Cheers, and thanks for the help @Daniel Rafaj FichDichInDemArsch ​See you guys tomorrow same time then! Cheers! Xah Lee Say something... 0/200