-*- coding: utf-8 -*- Nabi Yang ​robot Mr. Yamen- YT ​what s up Nabi Yang some person ​He seems normal now, probably trying to learn english 😛 Mr. Yamen- YT ​by Mr. Yamen- YT ​by Nabi Yang ​i think it says, "fundamental formula" Nabi Yang ​for quaternion multiplication some person ​x = a + ib Nabi Yang ​how can our numbers be real if their parts are imaginary? --jayden smith Mr. Yamen- YT ​trying to lern englech Mr. Yamen- YT ​englich some person ​@Nabi Yang Numbers are an abstraction, it seems the mind can create virtual existence ... Nabi Yang ​English Nabi Yang ​i'm just mocking the quote from jaden smith where he said, "how can mirrors be real if our eyes aren't real" some person ​@Xah Lee A lot of programmers are just people who memorize syntax and create more bloated buggy software ... Nabi Yang ​iconoclast? i didn't hear the sentence Freddy Freeman ​hey yall Mr. Yamen- YT ​i want to learn englich Dan Morris ​Hello; Mr. Yamen- YT ​hello Mr. Yamen- YT ​Dan Morris some person ​@Mr. Yamen- YT practice and immersion are key ... some person ​@Mr. Yamen- YT شنوة تعمل في شنال متع شخص يحكي على emacs ؟ some person ​@Mr. Yamen- YT عندك اهتمام خاص بإيماكس و لا طحت عليها بالصدفة الشنال ؟ some person ​@Mr. Yamen- YT لو كان تحب تتعلم انقلي، ديمة اقرى كتب بالانقلي و طالع برشة كتب توة تولي في وقت قصير متمكن منها Mr. Yamen- YT ​منين بش نجيبهم لكتوب some person ​@Mr. Yamen- YT ملأنترنيت و لا شوف المكتبة العمومية لقريبة منك Dan Morris ​😎 Mr. Yamen- YT ​انت منين some person ​@Xah Lee actually haskell is not about fat, probably purism 😛 some person ​@Mr. Yamen- YT تونس Mr. Yamen- YT ​نحيب نوالي نحكي بل الانجليزية Alan W ​dropping into say hello 👋 Mr. Yamen- YT ​ملا هو تعرف تحكي بالانقليزي ة some person ​@Mr. Yamen- YT ديمة احكي بيها توة تولي مريقل فيها ، هيا توة باش نحبس التونسية منحبش نقلق الجماعة some person ​@Mr. Yamen- YT Through time you can learn any language fluently ... some person ​@Xah Lee I think you are the anti-thesis for tribalism ... Still do you have this tolerance towards people who don't use your bindings, recommendations etc ? Mr. Yamen- YT ​تعلمني some person ​@Xah Lee They are shaping human life and limiting our possibilities of imagination Dan Morris ​> The UNIX-HATERS Handbook @Xah Lee Alan W ​fun reads @Dan Morris 😃 Nabi Yang ​smol is kawaii some person ​@Mr. Yamen- آسف منجمش، معنديش الوقت، الافلام بالانقلي تنجم تعلمك الخ و حاول تشوف ناس تتكلم انقلي في فيديوات و نقل عليهم و استعمل دكسيونار باش تفسر الكلام Dan Morris ​🔥Yep @Alan W Alan W ​omg arabic fonts on my computer r so smol Alan W ​how do ppl read it?! The Magpie ​I'll take any OS that's unix based to make use of the knowledge I already have Alan W ​probably need some special web fonts or something some person ​@Alan W We already have the fonts 😛 Alan W ​@The Magpie that is good advice; "quit distro hopping" Alan W ​and just focus on learning Alan W ​@some person yeah I've seen them, where the dots and loops and stuff are bigger Alan W ​otherwise it is super hard to recognize the difference between letters Nabi Yang ​*sigh* meeting time 👋 Alan W ​재미 있게 (have fun!) some person ​@Xah Lee we are chatting, he is not well versed in English .. Mr. Yamen- YT ​​@Xah Lee we are chatting, he is not well versed in English .. The Magpie ​yeah be it bsd, mac or some linux flavour they're all fine. I just can't do windows for anything other than gaming really Alan W ​@The Magpie though for some languages, e.g. JavaScript, maybe Python... Golang... Windows seems to be a "first class citizen" some person ​@The Magpie I would say windows is well designed internally, still the representation is so closed etc ... Alan W ​you just gotta stay within a little box; no bash script duct tape taping everything together and stuff Freddy Freeman ​@Xah Lee what do you think will happen when they can finally crack rsa encryption easily using quantum computers and other factorisation based algorthms? Alan W ​but if you stay where you are supposed to, Windows can be snappy, fast, and pleasant Alan W ​hay @Freddy Freeman 👋 Freddy Freeman ​hey alan Alan W ​erlang early? earlang Alan W ​🤦 some person ​@Alan W Windows doesn't like configuration, because it is not destined for said audience .. Everything is binary , premium API with poor shell ... Emily ​yes alan :D Alan W ​@some person that is right; but if you are the type of programmer that stays in some IDE, environment, this is not so troublesome... e.g. R programmers doing statistics in R STudio Emily ​👂lang Alan W ​C# developers in Visual Studio Alan W ​and so and so forth Alan W ​these people can be very productive and be smart programmers Alan W ​they r just not UNIX style some person ​@Alan W Yes, an IDE is mostly created for that ... Alan W ​but even doing something like... scripting Blender (3d graphics) in python Alan W ​things like that can b fine on Windows The Magpie ​Windows has some nice stuff but most of it is bloat I have no use for. WSL is very hacky, so you still get the duct tape you're talking about, just a subpar version of it @Alan W Alan W ​"your programming language is not pop" some person ​@Alan W Actually C# is a well designed language, it inherits good things from C, java, Lisp, python ... Alan W ​@The Magpie yah I used WSL for a while, but felt hacky. Now I mostly use Powershell on Windows when I can; PS6 also available for 'nix systems Mr. Yamen- YT ​i can some person ​@The Magpie Being a Gnu/Linux user for a long time, i would say, that trying to create a similair user experience in a linux desktop will have more bloat Alan W ​yah i hear good things about C#, similar to good things ppl say about golang and other "modern" prog languages The Magpie ​Yeah that's why you only add what you need. Make your system as lean and simple as you need it to be, it's a lot of work but you get it how you want Alan W ​I think @Xah Lee does good work talking about MS pretty objectively---good and bad the QUEEN_chahed ​وييييييييييو The Magpie ​i too hear that c# is better designed than java, when it comes to their own languages and apis .net is good for its domain if you're willing to drink their koolaid the QUEEN_chahed ​برا روح some person ​@The Magpie and it is why linux systems won't be the norm unless they bloat, because trying to cover a large base with lazy users will force you to create more code to accommodate for their lziness the QUEEN_chahed ​شبيك the QUEEN_chahed ​يزي ملكذب the QUEEN_chahed ​توووووووووووووووونس Alan W ​@some person u use Arch or something? the QUEEN_chahed ​العربي يحط زبلة The Magpie ​yeah i don't see it ever becoming mainstream to be honest @some person, everyone has their environment that they're comfy in which is also the reason why there's so many flavours of linux some person ​@Alan W manjaro, arch linux updates fastly which i don't appreciate ... the QUEEN_chahed ​تي برا تييييييييييييييييييييت The Magpie ​same here manjaro w/ i3 Alan W ​yah stability of release and stuff is def worth considering Alan W ​vanilla Debian still pretty good for that I hear some person ​i strip anything manjaro specific though .. Alan W ​--> "Arch linux with an installer" 😛 some person ​I just wanted an arch system with a slow update cycle .. some person ​@Alan W the problem with debian is that it uses obsolete software mostly under the pretext of stability .. Emily ​so in the way that lisp is everything is a list - in erlang everything is a process - so basically data is sent between processes that have their own state Emily ​one process can end and a supervisor one is told and it can be restarted or whatever Emily ​it allows you to run code concurrently very easily some person ​@Emily neat , but it makes me think about sharing scopes etc .. the QUEEN_chahed ​everybody want believe together why live together tell me why tell me why tell me whyويييييييو Alan W ​@some person I suppose software update matters a lot for what sort of thing you are trying to do; once again this speaks to the virtues of Linux flexibility 😃 Alan W ​I usually don't have to use super up to date/cutting edge... Alan W ​but I could see why people wanna do that Emily ​@some person - unfortunately i don't know much about oop so i can't really comment on that ;-; the QUEEN_chahed ​tunisiaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa some person ​@Alan W yes , the thing with distros, is that rarely anyone tries to invest in making the thing 100% stable .. Freddy Freeman ​haha who is communicating using the like button with me here Samuel Culpepper ​if you program with lisp, or use emacs, stumpwm is the way to go some person ​@Alan W this stems from the majority not being payed for it etc .. the QUEEN_chahed ​الو عم حسن بدن Freddy Freeman ​graph theory is quite fun the QUEEN_chahed ​لباس با با الغالي Emily ​graph theory is my fav topic :D The Magpie ​@Alan W what's your favourite programming language? Freddy Freeman ​@Xah Lee pls answer my question about quanutm computers and encryption in the interent the QUEEN_chahed ​تونس احسن بلاد في الععععععالم Alan W ​@The Magpie I work in JavaScript, but I'm developing a liking for golang 😃 maybe depends on the job... I've studied haskell and some FP for fun Alan W ​most important is what gets the job done Alan W ​how about for you? the QUEEN_chahed ​اااااااااااه يا خليلة Alan W ​(on the web you have no choice; you have to use JS to get the job done) The Magpie ​i work with python, javascript and scala. Favourite one is definitely scala crash hacker ​what's the topic just joined? the QUEEN_chahed ​تحيا توووووووووووووووووووونس Emily ​we about to end Emily ​but maths Alan W ​and meta rambling Alan W ​rambling about rambling Alan W ​and ranting about ranting Freddy Freeman ​but graphs Freddy Freeman ​haha Alan W ​isn't that swell? 😀 Alan W ​graph with circular structure Freddy Freeman ​ohyes the QUEEN_chahed ​🍅🍅🍅🍅🍅🍅🍅🍅🍅🍅🍅🍅🍅🍅🍅🍅🍅🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿 the QUEEN_chahed ​شبيك كوذني some person ​😀 the QUEEN_chahed ​🍞🍞🍞🍞🍞🍞🍞🍞🍞🍞🍞🍞 Freddy Freeman ​🥑🥑 Alan W ​bread-ing like crazy some person ​We can't solve the secrets of the universe and/or ourselves if xah hops from subject to subject 😛 Alan W ​@Freddy Freeman 👀 Emily ​:smilingpear: the QUEEN_chahed ​تونس في الفين وعشرين Freddy Freeman ​👁 the QUEEN_chahed ​احشم عيش ولدي some person ​Guys read this paper : What Is it Like to Be a Bat? by Thomas Nagel Emily ​why so? some person ​👁 some person ​@Emily it gives another perspective ... Alan W ​@some person yah this is "Philosophy of Mind" classic Alan W ​xah discord is full of weirdos with interesting lifestyles already---you don't even need to imagine being a bat haha the QUEEN_chahed ​tunisian math كوذني Alan W ​"What it is like to type in DVORAK" Alan W ​"What it is like to press modifiers with thumbs" BartholomewJS ​Greetings. some person ​😂 Alan W ​👋 @BartholomewJS BartholomewJS ​@Alan W Greetings Freddy Freeman ​hey bart BartholomewJS ​@Freddy Freeman Greetings Emily ​@Alan W - are you calling me a weirdo? 😦 Alan W ​Complex number is a number with two components---addition is just defined like it is for vectors, the important thing to pay attn to is the multiplication Freddy Freeman ​😂 Alan W ​👀 This message is held for review. The Magpie ​lul Emily ​;-; some person ​i need to take a look into the discord some person ​@Xah Lee it allows to be modular ... Alan W ​it is fun! join join join some person ​@Alan W I don't have the link Alan W ​go to xah lee dot info and search for discord Alan W ​very EZ to find Emily ​💜 Alan W ​omg look at screen; YouTube is blocking 'lul' BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee What you doing over Christmas? The Magpie ​one of the best servers i'm in honestly Emily ​:D some person ​@Xah Lee I am paying attention .. Not only rotation, but to simplify circuit physics in electronics too ... Alan W ​エネルギーがいっぱいサーバーです Alan W ​our demographics are Alan W ​10% real face Alan W ​80% anime profile pic Alan W ​10% geometric shapes Alan W ​people of all kinds are welcome Alan W ​to discord BartholomewJS ​@Alan W 😂 Emily ​wow being called out by alan The Magpie ​I'm an outlier @Alan W , dogbert isn't anime Alan W ​haha 😛 point taken the QUEEN_chahed ​go to the zebla and karoba Alan W ​"complex numbers" over "imaginary numbers" does sound like a better term to use This message is held for review. the QUEEN_chahed ​tunisiaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan math كخليقتك some person ​@Alan W they are imaginary because someone invented them to solve an equation which is unsolvable with real numbers ... The Magpie ​@Xah Lee we like to hear you expound on stuff though, take your time Freddy Freeman ​people didnt even understand bayesian probablitiy for a long time the QUEEN_chahed ​speak arabic يا هامل the QUEEN_chahed ​😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎 Alan W ​@Xah Lee speaks universl language of math Alan W ​al'jabr Emily ​xah Lee 2019 - math touches me, that's why I love it Alan W ​rood! Freddy Freeman ​salam thequeen Freddy Freeman ​habibi The Magpie ​o-o Freddy Freeman ​and wallah Freddy Freeman ​all arabic i know Alan W ​i know some religious words too, but won't say those here some person ​Habibia = my love, wallah : swearing by allah (the islam god, ilohim ..) Alan W ​🏃 the QUEEN_chahed ​بلطي some person ​hhhhhhhhhh some person ​Allah akbur : allah is almighty .. Freddy Freeman ​ah right, that i know as well habibi the QUEEN_chahed ​balti the QUEEN_chahed ​tuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuunisia the QUEEN_chahed ​حماة الحمى يا حماة الحمى some person ​Socrates ? 😛 the QUEEN_chahed ​your voice is bad BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee Come to my home so we can talk. BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee What BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee Seriously? Freddy Freeman ​yes Freddy Freeman ​march or february BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee I'm gonna show you around for sure. the QUEEN_chahed ​tuuuuuuuuuunisian history BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee We got a deal. This message is held for review. the QUEEN_chahed ​tttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttuuuuuuuuuuuuuunnnnnnisia BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee When will you visit? the QUEEN_chahed ​love tunisiaaaaaaaaaaaa BartholomewJS ​@Xah Lee We haven't talked via e-mail, I wrote you an e-mail and you did not respond. 😂 Emily ​[dog waving] Alan W ​bye ty for steram! Alan W ​scream Dan Morris ​Bye! Alan W ​😲 👋 some person ​byee the QUEEN_chahed ​vive tunisie Freddy Freeman ​bye everyone! ♥💲 Xah Lee Say something... 0/200