2021-03-17

miscibi
​Ooh my god. Been waiting for this one for such a long time! I'm new to Emacs, and been considering creating a hybrid of your Xah fly keys and Henrik's doom, while keeping it ergonomic. Have fun! <3
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Juhani
​more like doomed emacs

Xah Lee
​yo guys

Xah Lee
​😀

Xah Lee
​lots people omg.

Gribojedow
​People think you're gonna stream a video game.

Prashant Tak
​zzamboni

Juhani
​never tried on windows. on linux i had to "sync" it instead using the normal package system. kinda weird.

Syed Ali
​@xah have you used the SixKeys macro keypad from TechKeys. What are your thoughts about it if you have.

BartholomewJS
​Greetings.

BartholomewJS
​WSL2

Alex Munteanu
​Greetings all the way from Romania!, Xah. What made you switch to Windows?

Gribojedow
​Maybe on Windows you run the doom.cmd install?

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee Get WSL2 to run the script. It's the best way on Windows.

Alex Munteanu
​Try WSL2

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee Don't clutter your Windows with cygwin F ACKS

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee WSL2

Gribojedow
​Try running doom.CMD install.

Prashant Tak
​it works on windows

BartholomewJS
​@Gribojedow CMD is ****.

Prashant Tak
​just do as it says, i"ve tried it before

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee Just use WSL2. All other options are crap.

Liokardo
​hum, doom emacs

Gribojedow
​I think the included CMD script might be equivalent for Windows.

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee /usr/bin/env is just a program for Environment in Linux.

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee It tells the script runner where to find the right interpreter for the script.

Luis Prado
​there is a section about windows on the faq

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee /usr/bin/env is crappy method of getting the correct environment.

Gribojedow
​@Xah Lee Try doom.CMD, it's included with Doom Emacs.

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee /bin/sh + /bin/bash on Ubunut, Debian, etc.

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee /bin/sh = /bin/bash on Ubunut, Debian, etc.

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee I have JS disabled on Github and it works.

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee F Emacs on Windows, just use it inside WSL2.

BartholomewJS
​Just run it inside WSL2.

Vnought
​Hi! (This is Henrik) To get Doom set up on Windows, folks generally install WSL so they can install it in a linux-like environment.

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee IT'S NOT A BIG THING! Just install the WSL2.

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee Just use WSL2, it's easy and quick. Takes 10 mins for n00bs.

Gribojedow
​@Xah Lee Check what doom.cmd is doing.

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee Download WSL2. Even works without Microsoft Store.

Prashant Tak
​@Xah Lee Just do what it says in the install thing, no need for doom.cmd

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee Just use WSL2...

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee CMD will just frustrate you, trust me. Use WSL2 and we are all happy.

BartholomewJS
​Ahhh, no no CMD, please no...

Prashant Tak
​@BartholomewJS can you chill

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee Get Windows Terminal and use WSL2 through it. It's very convenient and works well.

Syed Ali
​Backslash

Liokardo
​don't need dot

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee CMD is ***!!! Do NOT use CMD!!

Prashant Tak
​just do normal ./doom install

Gribojedow
​In CMD you use just the command alone. ie. "doom.cmd"

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee CMD is a dead horse.

Liokardo
​yes

Juhani
​does choco not add emacs into PATH like scoop?

Gribojedow
​@BartholomewJS CMD is still good for some really simple things, like this Doom Emacs wrapper - because it's super fast to launch.

BartholomewJS
​@Gribojedow Do you even use Windows?

BartholomewJS
​@Gribojedow If yes, you should know that PowerShell is much quicker, because of it's Linux-like API.

BartholomewJS
​@Gribojedow With CMD it's like beating the crap out of a shell and then making everything backwards. That's how using CMD is like.

Cammil Taank
​you actually ran the ELSE branch

BartholomewJS
​@Gribojedow As you can see Xah Lee struggling with it.

BartholomewJS
​@Gribojedow It obviously is crap, else he wouldn't need to try to run it 5 times, just to start a "simple" script

Scott Bilik
​When I read the title, I *had* to come and see the rant that would surely follow... ;-]

Vnought
​@Xah Lee Try: .\doom.cmd install

Gribojedow
​@BartholomewJS I understand what you mean, but you don't understand what I mean. CMD is super fast to LAUNCH, much faster than PS, so it's still good for really simple launcher scripts and similar.

Syed Ali
​Lol I’m here for the rants too

Scott Bilik
​and on a *Windows10* machine!! no less!

BartholomewJS
​@Gribojedow You mean the shell itself? Indeed, I do not follow. Why is it "super fast" to launch? And even then, it does not matter, because you just need to launch it once a day.

Gribojedow
​@BartholomewJS Of course CMD is mess as a language. I'm saying it' good for single specific purpose I mentioned above.

BartholomewJS
​@Gribojedow I do not see that as a convincing argument, because in my opinion speed is not an issue, especially when we are talking shells here, that run inherently inefficient scripting languages.

Gribojedow
​@BartholomewJS Yes, the CMD shell launches instantly, while PS shell takes longer. If all you need is a simple 1-5 liner, CMD might be better. Ok, it's a matter of preference.

Gribojedow
​@Vnought Xah tried doom.cmd. It's just a simple wrapper, not an installer.

Vnought
​@Xah Lee You need to run `./doom install` then you can simply launch Emacs

Prashant Tak
​@Xah Lee did you run doom install

Syed Ali
​@Xah Lee doom.cmd install

Gribojedow
​@Vnought He doesn't have sh installed on Windows.

BartholomewJS
​@Gribojedow Still, I don't trust CMD. I don't even want to run a one-liner with it.

Juhani
​😃

barrios160679
​Check DistroTube's channel, he has a good overview/walkthrough on Doom. Not Windows though

Liokardo
​hey, i don't think you need to use cmd.exe. you can run the script from powershell

Liokardo
​@Xah Lee "doom.cmd" is a wrapper

Justin Scarfy
​hi

Liokardo
​hello

Syed Ali
​It’s insane how much bloatware is getting installed

Liokardo
​could it be optimized much?

BartholomewJS
​@Syed Ali Precisely.

Prashant Tak
​yes

Liokardo
​huh, evil by default, yet it's optional.

barrios160679
​yes, doom user

Syed Ali
​Oops sorry

Liokardo
​Am not a Doom Emacs user. big Xah Fly Keys fan

Justin Scarfy
​i dont yet - I LaTeX

Balaji A
​I was using doom, but now migrating to vanilla emacs. It's just too much of packages without knowing what is going on inside the framework.

Luis Prado
​you can remove evil easily

Liokardo
​"like a IDE" oh that philosophy.

Gribojedow
​Eight Megabytes And Constantly Syncing (packages)

Balaji A
​Which according to you is better straight or use-package?

Henry Lenzi
​define "distro" in the Emacs sense, please

Liokardo
​hmm. Which packages can be removed without breaking Doom Emacs? which packages are builtin with this distribution?

Luis Prado
​xah fly keys works well

Juhani
​you can use use-package with straight

Balaji A
​straight takes a long time to clone the repo and consumes a lot of space too. use-package seem to be quicker.

Vnought
​Haha, it's certainly a lot to install. If it's any consolation, `doom install` sets up Doom with many modules included. They can be disabled.

Liokardo
​disabled?

Vnought
​@Liokardo all of them

Liokardo
​Installation took 6 minutes.

Vnought
​@Xah Lee There are roughly ~400 packages across ~150 modules, and roughly 40 modules are enabled out of the box.

Liokardo
​over 500 elisp files, including the config files for the packages

Vnought
​@Xah Lee There's a `M-x doom/increase-font-size`

Liokardo
​magnify font, Ctrl+x Ctrl+- or Ctrl+x Ctrl++

Vnought
​@Xah Lee Or `M-x doom-big-font-mode` (keybind: SPC t 😎

Vnought
​`SPC t b`

Liokardo
​oh, change font

Liokardo
​@Vnought HAAAAAHAAA

Liokardo
​accidental emoji

Liokardo
​as funny as accidental dab

Prashant Tak
​you can install all-the-icons for the broken unicode

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee Until next stream, install WSL2.

Liokardo
​@Xah Lee do menu-bar-open, then Options, then Set Default Font

Vnought
​@Xah Lee Try `M-x doom/increase-font-size` a couple times

Prashant Tak
​@Xah Lee C-x C-+ would increase font size

at29c040a
​How many software engineers are required to install Doom emacs?

Prashant Tak
​@Xah Lee You can disable evil mode by C-z

Vnought
​@Xah Lee Evil is enabled by default, so you must press `v` to enter visual mode and make a selection.

Balaji A
​@at29c040a it's a very well written framework, and very well documented to. not that difficult.

Vnought
​@Balaji A Its docs could certainly be a lot better though. Especially on Windows

Vnought
​(I'm Doom's author, btw)

Liokardo
​@Prashant Tak @Xah Lee you pressed Ctrl+z!

Liokardo
​alright. Doom Emacs installed

ablanchi
​@Xah Lee im pretty sure just hitting space bar is where all the doom options are for finding files and things

Balaji A
​@Vnought I find the current level of documentation is good enough. I did not find any difficulties when started using it a year back. I used it in mac and in linux now.

Liokardo
​@Xah Lee didn't you say recently that Doom Emacs author was watching?

Vnought
​@Xah Lee I'll work on making `doom install` less opinionated, and easier for Windows users to deal with

Liokardo
​@Vnought how so? less steps?

Vnought
​@Xah Lee re:games, yeah! But I have a second windows pc for gaming (and adobe)

Vnought
​@Liokardo Yes, and perhaps have it ask you if you want evil installed or not. Right now it just installs it without your permission.

Vnought
​It can be disabled after-the-fact, but would be nicer if folks could avoid it from the get go

Prashant Tak
​@Xah Lee If you don't want to learn evil mode, you can disable evil module or use C-z to disable it and use vanilla bindings which might make it easy for you.

Liokardo
​@Vnought yeah, alright.

Liokardo
​hmm what about C-z? @Xah Lee do 【C-h k】, 【C-z】

Vnought
​@Xah Lee And thank you for trying it!

Liokardo
​ah, text wrap

BartholomewJS
​@Xah Lee Please install WSL2 until next time.

at29c040a
​@Vnought if you have programmable keyboard with layers and holding space with key acts like shift, how to use leader key?

BartholomewJS
​@Vnought Our leader thanks you for your product. Therefore, your product must be great.

LEDI_ PUBG
​ Moood

Vnought
​@Xah Lee I think you want `C-w C-o` (or `SPC w C-o`)

Gribojedow
​Thanks.

Vnought
​@at29c040a You could change the leader (by changing the `doom-leader-key` variable

Liokardo
​See you later.

at29c040a
​thanks:3

Vnought
​@Xah Lee Bye! Thanks for the stream!

Liokardo
​@Vnought can have two leader keys? space and backspace, cuz Kinesis Advantage