2021-12-15 Welcome to live chat! Remember to guard your privacy and abide by our community guidelines. Telephonist ​hello Med Yasine ​Hi there nice keyboard Immortality ​Hello, I suggest "constructed human languages, programing languages, and regularity of syntax." from show notes. Med Yasine ​How do I get really good at vim ? Med Yasine ​Why do you need a sophisticated keyboard ? BartholomewJS ​Greetings, @Xah Lee. I apologise for not popping up for so long. It's because I castrated my YouTube and barely use it anymore. YouTube has become obsolete in my life. Med Yasine ​I saw you talking about vimGolf the other day that's why i thought it was vim my bad sorry Eugene Korniichuk ​human creates top-down languages as well, its not always bottom up Eugene Korniichuk ​esperanto is one of top-down language Yasine ​haha sure buddy 😀 Eugene Korniichuk ​machine code is bottom-up language, or how do you think? Eugene Korniichuk ​visualiazation is machine to human language Eugene Korniichuk ​Hangul is constructed as well I think BartholomewJS ​Lojban 🥳 Eugene Korniichuk ​Or how modern korean language is called Eugene Korniichuk ​sign language Otrebla Blaotre ​Greetings from Italy Eugene Korniichuk ​revived languages like hebrew is kind of constructed Yasine ​my language is arabic i write from right to left BartholomewJS ​This hypothesis is a fundamental part of language philosophy. I also am convinced, that language controls the brain, not the other way around. ryan ​what does a proprietary language even mean? Eugene Korniichuk ​language seems to shape thought way, but we can learn many of them. I think cream of hypothesis should be is which one is most promissing. zr0 ​esperanto 😴 Eugene Korniichuk ​Programming languages we create are very poor, doubt that they should be taken into consideration Stas Prokofyev ​The same is in Russian as in Chinese Eugene Korniichuk ​as a ukrainian native, japanese is exciting to wrap head around flip ​hello Otrebla Blaotre ​@Xah Lee Lingala (my mother native language): "I don't know" is like "I know no" ryan ​what inconsistencies like these can be found in mandarin ? @Xah Lee Louis Brauer ​very cool topic today, thank you Xah Lee EIΣ ​bring xah fly keys to vscode. thanks for the attention Stas Prokofyev ​In Russian one can say words in any order and it will be correct 🙂 I learn a new language. Learn I a new language. A new language I learn. All the same =) flip ​hello again @Stas Prokofyev Daniel Langlois ​hey there folks Stas Prokofyev ​Hello @flip flip ​@Daniel Langlois howdy 🙂 Yasine ​I want to know what you think about learning assembly language ? Dejan Žabaljac ​You know that sound you make when you are taking a dump..? That should be new language for sure! Daniel Langlois ​English is inescapable. Protesting it feels like yelling at the moon. Alan W ​hello xah and friends Alan W ​....or landing on the moon lol Stas Prokofyev ​@Daniel Langlois Indeed. It was really hard for me to come to terms with English but eventually I just accepted it as it was. Now it feels normal 🙂 Otrebla Blaotre ​I'm half italian and half congolese Dejan Žabaljac ​Did anyone tried reading Sanskrit language? Dejan Žabaljac ​Similar to Serbian... beetx5 ​Hello Alan W ​interesting observation about how programming languages become more like human languages; makes sense in that as people we want to express things in a way natural to us BartholomewJS ​Do not attract too many C coders by saying words like "too complex", "hard to understand", "anti-human". Alan W ​whereas trying to make human languages more "consistent" w/ artificial languages FAILS Alan W ​sup Bart This message is held for review. Eugene Korniichuk ​not true about JS, its simple yet its complex as fuck Alan W ​ppl not made in the image/likeness of impersonal hypercube! Eugene Korniichuk ​it seems like your problem is oneliners, for each is same kind of thing Alan W ​@Xah Lee do you have overall positive feelings about Chinese grammar? Chinese (as well as Japanese, Korean) don't have a lot of the complexities of the Indo-European languages Yasine ​Can you learn many languages and be good at them all ? I doubt it Alan W ​yeh limits of time/energy prohibit people from knowing too many languages deeply; though of course you can be communicative in a bunch with study Eugene Korniichuk ​@Yasine it really depends on what "good at" means Secondary Account ​hi Alan W ​👋 Otrebla Blaotre ​@Xah Lee Is it true that ancient chinese was similar to today's chinese Alan W ​GREAT CHINESE GRAMMAR Otrebla Blaotre ​Ideograms are better than letters, you cannot distort the meaning with ideograms BartholomewJS ​Great scream, as always. See you next time. Alan W ​-> polyglot Eugene Korniichuk ​Thank you @Xah Lee its interesting topic. Polyglot Alan W ​glot being "tongue" Yasine ​Java has no complexity Eugene Korniichuk ​Language expresiveness > language simplicity Yasine ​I think you should try Scala Eugene Korniichuk ​I do Scala btw for 5 years)) Yasine ​Try Scala you will love it i promise you Alan W ​womxn Vasya Pupkin ​@Xah Lee, regular expressions are simpler and useful than many "real languages" in some contexts but lack in expressivity. They look similar to list comprehentions to me Yasine ​C++ is fast and good for competitive programming Yasine ​I like your point of view Durvesh Shinde ​lisp is God language Eugene Korniichuk ​but comming from this topic, if language allows you everything, then its library develop who creates own language, same word between two libraries will be called differently Yasine ​Unfortunately a lot of code has been written by c++ or java and its not easy to change now Eugene Korniichuk ​in library 1 it will be "char-at" and other "get-char-at", it is not solving initial problem Strips McKinsey ​thank you! Durvesh Shinde ​ty Eugene Korniichuk ​thanks BartholomewJS ​And C++ is the bastard child of it. Xah Lee Say something... 0/200