emacs keyboard history

By Xah Lee. Date: . Last updated: .

2018-07-20 this page is work in progress.

https://www.reddit.com/r/emacs/comments/90amqq/emacs_keyboards_in_70s_80s/

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hi guys, am trying to get an overview of keyboards used by emacs people during 70s and 80s. If you been there, could you list the keyboards/terminal you used, and year period, before 1990, as much as you can remember?

if you been there, help me out. thanks.


What Keyboards Are Used for Emacs in 1970 and 1980s?

been thinking, what keyboard were emacs users used during 70s and 80s? e.g. which of the Lisp Machine Keyboards

wanted to be specific, a research job. e.g. in what period, was Space-Cadet Keyboard used, by what % of emacs user?

also, in 70s, was it just knight keyboard? what years? and what keyboard(s) was ITS machines/Teco using? so, perhaps i should ask the few i know who used emacs for 30+ years. Or, maybe we can do a hangout for this?

so, i should ask each emacs 30+ years users i know of, ask them to list the keyboard they used, year period, as much as they can recall.

i've always felt, that the Space-Cadet Keyboard

Space Cadet keyboard 2
Space-Cadet, 1981

is famous TODAY because its exotic, but may actually not known to many emacs people back then.

having studied a bit about lisp machines last week, i think now that, during 1975 to 1980, most emacs users or dev are using either the knight keyboard or whatever ITS keyboard is. During 1980 to 1985, i think it's one of the lisp machine keyboard, including space cadget, or, whatever most terminal or is popular. After 1985, i think there's more diversity. unix would have become very popular by then. might be HP-UX, AIX, Sun Microsystems, SGI, etc, whatever keyboards that comes with their hardware.

i know the story first hand for after 1990s. In 1990s, vast majority of emacs users would be on generic PC keyboards. IBM's personal computers, e.g. PS/2. A small percentage, like 10% to 20%, is on Apple's keyboards. And in 2000s, again, it's almost all PC keyboards, including lots from Microsoft and Dell, etc.

2018-07-18 from George Jones

  1. 1970s: ADM-3A
  2. ≺ 1985: vt 52, vt 100, and their clones
  3. ≺ 1990: pcs, amiga, sun, others.
terminal ADM 3A
ADM-3A, 1976
DEC VT100 terminal 2013 08 30 7ea01a58 s s265x236
DEC VT100, 1978

For what people were using in 80s/early 90s you might try researching the terminal room at USENIX events. Look for pictures, sponsors, maybe try to contact the cooridnators and volunteers listed in pubs. My one near-encounter with RMS was him hacking a USENIX terminal room.

For perspecive, I think most emacs users ≺ 1995/2000 just used the keyboards they had. The whole ergonimic keyboard really didn't happen before that. RSI was not really a known thing. There were the odd cases like the LISP machines where uber-geeks designed their own systems and keyboards, but those were the exception. Most people used whatever terminals and keyboards where available in labs, at work, etc. Even with the PCs/keyboards available ≺ 1985, there was not near the selection we have today. FWIW.

Xah Lee: so the lisp machines are really rare, right?

Yes. I happened to be around a computer science department that had few (Ohio State AI lab) but I never used them myself.

2018-07-19, Tim Chambers

Thanks for asking, Xah.

early 2000s–present Microsoft Natural keyboard; also keyboards on various notebooks, notably:

2018-07-19 from Simon Brooke https://mstdn.io/web/accounts/98885

Oh, shoot, I don't think I could really name the keyboards. My personal favourite keyboards are compact Cherrys - G84-4100 and similar - because they're long lived, have good touch, and don't clutter the desk.

I've certainly used real VT100s and various VT100 clones (which were mostly better). I also used early IBM PC and RS6000 terminals, but I wasn't very keen on their keyboards (I know other folk rave over them).

The keyboards on Sun II workstations were OK. The original 128k Macintosh and 512k ‘Fat Mac’ keyboards were a bit weird - clunkily deep - but nice and compact.

BBC Micro keyboards were also remarkably nice, given they were relatively inexpensive machines. Indeed, all Acorn keyboards I can remember were good except the Electron, which was distinctly cheap.

@xahlee Other ‘home computers' of the period mostly had pretty dreadful keyboards - chicklets, or membrane, or rubber buttons overlaying a membrane, or (in the case of the Sinclair QL) actual plastic keytops sat on a membrane.

The Xerox 1108 keyboard was an ENORMOUS thing - worked well, nice touch, but HUGE. The 1186 keyboard was svelte in comparison - similar to PC keyboards of the period (1986)

@xahlee Come to think of it, the best VT100 clones I used were Wyse terminals - Probably WYSE 55. I really liked the amber screen ones which were very easy on the eyes, but green on black is a lot better than black on white.

2018-07-21 from fizzlehucker

I started using emacs in 1984. It was on terminal connected via 1200-baud connection to my university's Prime Minicomputer. If you were lucky you might be able to get one of the (few) 9600-baud terminals which were sprinkled around campus. Even at 1200-baud I was always impressed how gracefully emacs handled slower speed connections.

The keyboards on terminals back then were *very* different than keyboards today. For example, some only had uppercase characters, the control key was all over the place and there were often no meta/alt keys. I think I used ESC for my meta key for almost decade. Some keyboards even lacked “basic” keys like # ^ [ ] { }. Look at the wikipedia article on C/C++ digraphs and trigraphs to see what I mean.

Terminals (or keyboards) that I have used in the 80's (in no particular order):

  1. Digital Equipment Corp: vt50, vt100, vt220
  2. Techtronix: 4010
  3. Prime Computer: pt45, pst100, pst220
  4. ADDS Regent: 40
  5. Wyse: Wy50, Wy85
  6. Perkin-Elmer: Fox-1100
  7. Commodore: c64 (via 300 baud modem to PrimOS on school's mainframe), Amiga
  8. Apple: IIe, IIc (via 300 baud modem to PrimOS on school's mainframe)
  9. Apollo: DN300
  10. Sun: 3/50, 3/60, i386
  11. Probably more but, you know, it was the 80s!

2018-07-21 from 7890yuiop

Well FWIW in the 80s I was typing on these:

If I ever used one of them with Emacs it wasn't until the 90s, but I suspect I may have done so via a terminal emulator on the Master, connecting to Emacs on an Alpha or SunOS machine, prior to switching to an IBM PC clone.

BBC Micro Front Restored 518b7
BBC micro, released by Acorn. Year 1981 to 1994. BBC Micro

The British Broadcasting Corporation Microcomputer System, or BBC Micro, is a series of microcomputers and associated peripherals designed and built by the Acorn Computer company for the BBC Computer Literacy Project, operated by the British Broadcasting Corporation. Designed with an emphasis on education, it was notable for its ruggedness, expandability, and the quality of its operating system. An accompanying 1982 television series, The Computer Programme, featuring Chris Serle learning to use the machine, was also broadcast on BBC 2.

2018-07-21 BBC Micro

Acorn BBC Master Series f31c3
Acorn BBC Master Series. Year 1986 to 1993. image source

The BBC Master is a home computer released by Acorn Computers in early 1986. It was designed and built for the British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) and was the successor to the BBC Micro Model B. The Master 128 remained in production until 1993.

2018-07-21 BBC Master

2018-07-21 from StrangeAstronomer

From 1981 I worked for HP on Unix:

  1. hp2645
  2. hp2647
  3. hp2621

IIRC!

I don't recall any particular problems, but perhaps I was using the Esc key rather than Meta.

I used emacs to write some utilities that used the function keys and on-screen function key labels - eg a simple editor.

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